Posted on 01/23/2006 7:32:54 AM PST by devane617
Let's see. You believe, apparently, that however many people it is got here on their own limited resources, but that it is not possible for the US government, with its apparently unlimited credit, to reverse the process. Balderdash. The only problem is political.
...build a new Los Angeles...
Again, balderdash. They all came from somewhere, and they should be sent back to the places from whence they came.
Your remarks about Adolf, etc., are not only balderdash, they are contemptible quano. Illegal invasion is not a racial issue. Period. And your attempt to confuse deportation with slaughter is ... (polite words fail me).
Thank you for the quote.
uh, I'm sitting this one out. America should sit this one out. Polls I've seen 85% and upwards don't want illegal immigration, yet our supposed elected politicians are handing our country to Mexico, and whomever dances over the border.
"Guests" that never leave.
Mojave, Correct. Let's say we do pass a new II law that says they can rotate on a three year schedule. At the end of three years, do you think they (the II's) will show up at the border with families and possesions in tow, eager to go home to Mexico? Does anyone believe that except the politicians. NO! Just another stall untill our beautiful America is no more...
So we bring in 10 million more "guest workers" and the line becomes: "What part of "it ain't possible to deport 20 million people" do you not understand?
There will be a few stage props. Lights, camera, action...
The actual number is more along the lines of 25 million. They will go precisely where the smilling American Citizen with the cute little M-16 tells them to go. Now, that can be in their shiny new pickups and Explorers/Blazers with the wife and kids with a tank of gas and a map headed south.
Or....
It can be in the train cars with the shirt on their back and their matricula consular "ID" stuffed in their back pocket and NOTHING else.
As far as I am concerned there is not a bit of difference.
Either one will do just fine. What will NOT do is to let a block of population sit in this country illegally and continue to alienate themselves from the rest of the Citizens, demand that American Citizens pay for the medical, education and welfare for themselves and their offspring and then have the ignorant RACIST attitude that those very same American Citizens "stole" the United States of America from "them" and we "owe them" everything that has been built on this continent since Lewis and Clark.
THAT is what is not acceptable and if continued by said and same ILLEGAL ALIENS and the government of the United States does not enforce the law and eject the illegal aliens from this country there is a real possibility that a internal war will erupt and the illegal aliens will do just about as well as anyone with a scrap of knowledge in the area would predict.
And THAT Skippy, is what is not a "good alternative."
The actual number is more along the lines of 25 million. They will go precisely where the smilling American Citizen with the cute little M-16 tells them to go.
You're in fantasy land if you think that's going to happen. Nobody on the left, and only a very few on the right will tolerate emptying the equivalent of the entire LA basin and sending them to camp in mexico. Once the video of the crying children hit the tube, only a very few people will stay with you on this issue meaning that only the most foolhardy politician will agree to it up front.
So, knowing the above will not happen, what's your alternative? Living in fantasy land won't cut it.
Would that be before or after the attempt by an infested by illegal aliens California secede from the U.S.? Or would that be before or after a overwhelming illegal alien population forces the "Europeans" out with violent threats?
That is not where we are headed, that is what is going on as we debate this issue. Left on it's current course, it is impossible for that to NOT happen. If that were not obvious to the entire U.S. population you would not see the explosive growth of the Minutemen Projects and Border watch Operations across the entire country.
If you seek fantasy, continue to spout your rhetoric. Reality is the invasion is on and American Citizens are at the point of no longer accepting platitudes from government. They want this s&i+ stopped and stopped NOW.
Why do you assume that an armed rebellion will take place? Who will raise your fantasy illegal army and lead it? Why will the US government, at any level, allow it? If the power of our liberals in Washington were threatened in any way (and removing US sovereignty over the biggest concentration of Democratic congressmen *would* threaten it), do you actually believe your fantasy that they will merely roll over and play dead?
You didn't answer my question about whether you are a real minuteman, or just a troll attempting to make them look bad.
In my estimation, the odds of your being a troll just went up.
There is no assumption. It is historical fact that an internal war can and has occurred in this country. You can attempt to call it a "fantasy" all you like. Won't change a damn thing.
You will simply be just another "can't happen here" "nothing we should do" couch tater nay sayer. Just remember what that very real war was fought over... ILLEGAL CHEAP LABOR.
Sound familiar ding dong? Think it won't happen again? No way two diametrically opposed civilizations/cultures would ever go do battle when forced into the same territory? Surrrrre thing. You just keep right on believing that.
"If the power of our liberals in Washington were threatened in any way"
Ooooooo, sorry! That must be a bit of sore spot, huh? Well, don't feel "blue," there is always the White House... whoops, darn, there I go again! Sorry Sorry SORRY!!!
Hey Jhohanna, I got another one!
You didn't answer my question about whether you are a real minuteman, or just a troll attempting to make them look bad.
In my estimation, the odds of your being a troll just went up.
1. I don't fall for flame bait.
2. You have a problem reading fine print.
Really? Then I suppose all these folks are just `a fibbin..
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You really have a reading comprehension problem. I've said several times on this thread that the "solution" to the problem lies in making it harder to be illegal than legal, while allowing these people to work here. They *will* work here, given the political realities, so any kind of mass deportation is fantasy.
To make it harder to be illegal than legal obviously requires "first securing the borders". So I would have voted with the majority on that simplistic question too. The problem is that this is not that simple, and more than just "securing the borders" must be done simultaneously in order to make it easier to be legal than illegal.
Keep in mind, if we make it hard for these people to be legal, like forcing them to go back across the border, ordering them to pay money, whatever, will require a similar increase in enforcement in order to tip the balance to be easier for these people to be legal.
Do you understand what I'm saying here and just playing dumb?
You never have answered my question about whether you're merely a troll trying to make the minutemen look bad. I think the minutemen have done a good job waking up the government in DC, so I have my doubts that anyone with your kind of views really is a part of that fine group.
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