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China to build world`s first "artificial sun" experimental device
Angola Press ^ | 01/21 | Angola Press

Posted on 01/23/2006 6:14:41 AM PST by Abathar

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To: Abathar

Hasn't there been a few Bond movies about this?


21 posted on 01/23/2006 6:31:49 AM PST by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors, don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: Abathar

now all that will be needed is to scale then down for warp drives and ones own personal 'Mr. Fusion' units.


22 posted on 01/23/2006 6:34:14 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: Abathar

Looks like somebody already invented it.

23 posted on 01/23/2006 6:36:09 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Physicist

Pinging.


24 posted on 01/23/2006 6:36:53 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Paul Ross

(psssst: I didn't want to correct you in front of other Freepers so I'm whispering, but China is not the CCCP. That would be the former Soviet Union, the Union of Soviet Sociaist Republics. CCCP are in this case Cyrillic characters. To be honest I wouldn't recognize the Chinese characters for China if I saw them.)


25 posted on 01/23/2006 6:39:25 AM PST by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: FreedomNeocon
about time the ChiComs / Ruskies spend the dough and develop someting we can STEAL from than, after the decades of them leeching off of us.

Actually, it's pretty sad that we're sliding backwards (intelligent design) while they move forwards.

26 posted on 01/23/2006 6:41:09 AM PST by Kjobs (Murtha IS A COWARD!! Go Jean Schmidt!)
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To: doc30

The US has several TOKOMAK reactors. There was one at UT in Austin when I went to school there in the 80's. I think what is different about this one is that the magnets used in the device are energized with superconducting wire. Therefore the device as a whole will use less energy.


27 posted on 01/23/2006 6:43:10 AM PST by Fellow Traveler
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To: Abathar

You can't have a hope of getting tokamak stuff working without super-computers, and a whole lot of metallurgy and high-power electronics. The same kind of stuff that useful for precision fusion nuke devices, btw.


28 posted on 01/23/2006 6:44:03 AM PST by bvw
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To: Abathar
The good news is that they've developed an infinite, low cost power source. The bad news is that they've ignited the earth's atmosphere and incinerated the whole planet. Every major science advance has its little drawbacks.
29 posted on 01/23/2006 6:45:56 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: doc30
Why does Washigton want to do everything it can to make the U.S. lose her lead in science and technology.

Uuhh.., is this a rhetorical question?

If the Chinese can do something like this for a fraction of the cost in the U.S., it just might have something to do with the fact that they are not hampered by an EPA, OSHA, Federal Employment Standards, an "environmental wacko movement", obstinate labor Unions, and greedy subcontractors.

And they won't need all those silly safety devices, either!

30 posted on 01/23/2006 6:51:29 AM PST by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: bvw
You can't have a hope of getting tokamak stuff working without super-computers

The Tok they had in San Diego used to de-Gauss their computers when it fired up. Kinda messes up the data aquisitions :-)

31 posted on 01/23/2006 6:51:46 AM PST by pikachu (Every man needs the love or a good woman or the love of two bad women. often too!)
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To: Capriole
P'ssst.

CCP

Just as bad as CCCP

32 posted on 01/23/2006 6:52:54 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: doc30
Interesting that the U.S. isn't listed as a country that has built and experimented with a Tokomak reactor.

....since that would make the Chinese experiement look like 30-yr catch-up mode.

33 posted on 01/23/2006 7:00:01 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Since I'm not a nuclear physicist, someone in another post mentioned that the Chinese are using superconducting magnets. The older, U.S. reactors did not.


34 posted on 01/23/2006 7:01:38 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

The US sure has had and has tokamaks.


35 posted on 01/23/2006 7:01:43 AM PST by bvw
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To: doc30

Maybe that's why they've cornered the market in the rare-earths needed to make superconducting magnets.


36 posted on 01/23/2006 7:03:18 AM PST by bvw
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To: Designer

To a degree, you are correct. However, there are certain R&D excemptions. However, in chemistry for example, new chemicals must be TOSCA listed if used in a production environment. Hence, new materials may be invented or discovered in the U.S., but to get around toxicity testing, they are manufactured overseas and the finish product is imported here. In the industry where I work, most of the new materials are coming from Japan. None have been invented in the U.S. in the last 5 years. The stuff gets invented there, and we develop the product here.


37 posted on 01/23/2006 7:05:44 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: mlc9852

What Lithium? You can't have lithium in the plasma; it radiates away too much energy. I guess you could line the reactor with some sort of lithium compound, but elemental lithium is too volatile to line the reactor - it would contaminate the plasma, besides as you stated not all of the neutrons would get caught in a lithium lining - in fact it's really hard to block neutrons. If you go to deuterium/deuterium fusion this problem is eliminated, but the ignition temperature goes way up. The IEEE did a series of studies on this back in the '80s and concluded that this was one of the biggest problems with a potential D/T fusion reactor


38 posted on 01/23/2006 7:05:46 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Abathar
I don't think I would want to be living in the hut next to this when they light it off

The Chinese have not shown themselves to be overly concerned about such things. For example, there is a village just downrange from their rocket launch facililty that gets hit by flaming debris from launch failures....

39 posted on 01/23/2006 7:06:06 AM PST by r9etb
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To: bvw
"So China's bought into that perrennial money-pit of big science."

What makes it hard is what makes it worth doing.

40 posted on 01/23/2006 7:06:57 AM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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