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Farewell to the GOP, for now at least! (Vanity Rant)
6-21-2006 | Mr. Hammer

Posted on 01/23/2006 5:51:10 AM PST by mr_hammer

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To: Republican Wildcat; FOG724
Why, thank you, Republican Wildcat.

FOG724: Most people understand the difference between "speaking" about another person versus asking another what his own take is on a position taken by Mr. Hammer?

Let me try an example to explain this to you:

To XXX: "FOG724 IS A LEFTIST TROLL!"

versus

To YYY: "DO YOU AGREE WITH FOG724'S POSITION ON THIS?"

In the first case I should ping FOG724. The second case is irrelevant in re a ping.

281 posted on 01/23/2006 4:46:40 PM PST by Alia
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To: mr_hammer

Call out the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamoblie and climb in. What a baby you are and what a political naif!


282 posted on 01/23/2006 4:49:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: MACVSOG68

No your point has not been made.

The WTO is OBVIOUSLY superceding the Constitution. Where does the Constitution give an international tribunal authority to tax the American people? Where does it say that people who are not American citizens, are not elected by American citizens and do not operate UNDER the constitution can tax them?


283 posted on 01/23/2006 5:46:51 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Designer
Secondly; You're wrong!

Republican candidates are nominated by the most influential members of the party.

Then candidates are elected.

I don't think so. I think you have the terms reversed.

A candidate is anyone who runs for his or her party's nomination, and the nominee is the candidate who the party's nominating convention chooses to run for the office in the general election. That's why it's called a nominating convention.

Delegates to the nominating convention may or may not be the "most influential members of the party", but in either case they are still either elected by Republican voters in primaries or chosen by a caucus composed of party members.

284 posted on 01/23/2006 5:51:07 PM PST by epow (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper who love thee. Ps. I22:6)
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To: epow

I think your description is how it is supposed to work, and Designer's is how it actually happens, because of a lack of understanding and participation on the part of the American people.


285 posted on 01/23/2006 5:56:11 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: FOG724

It has nothing to do with politeness, but rather, common sense. In addition in that particular post he was saying nothing about mr. hammer other than asking another person whether they agreed with his post or not. What you posted was not meant to be polite but to belittle the person you were responding to.


286 posted on 01/23/2006 6:05:02 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Constitution Day; Alia; Tijeras_Slim
Brilliant!

Brilliant? What does it mean to you?

It is beautiful, but I have a mixed understanding of it.

What's the scoop, TS?

287 posted on 01/23/2006 6:27:15 PM PST by beyond the sea (Cal Thomas: If only Robert Bork had cried ...................)
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To: hedgetrimmer

OK, I'll accept that explanation. But I still think that no candidate would reach the level of major party nominee if the majority of average Repub voters were strongly opposed to him or her being in that position. I don't remember any nominee of the convention who was rejected by a majority of voters in the primaries.


288 posted on 01/23/2006 6:45:58 PM PST by epow (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper who love thee. Ps. I22:6)
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To: Republican Wildcat
What you posted was not meant to be polite but to belittle the person you were responding to.

Demonstrating by example?

289 posted on 01/23/2006 8:40:19 PM PST by FOG724 (Governor Spendanator)
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To: FOG724

Are you? Nice to know. I don't really care. Have a good one - RW.


290 posted on 01/23/2006 9:05:25 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: mr_hammer
My motives? To let the boys and girls in D.C. know that they are quickly losing the social conservitive base.

But... I thought you were going on a donation (money) strike. Did you mean to say that the "boys and girls in D.C. now that they are quickly losing the FISCAL conservative base"?

Doesn't look like that's true, either: GOP posts record-breaking fundraising in 2005

But at least it has been duly noted that One Mr. Hammer is on a fiscal strike against Republicans.

291 posted on 01/24/2006 4:33:04 AM PST by Alia
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To: Designer
Obviously this is wrong. We are conservatives, not Dummycrats.

So you say that you are conservative. So you say.

292 posted on 01/24/2006 4:34:11 AM PST by Alia
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
Under Clinton, there was LESS spending for social welfare

You really believe that. And you've separated out the WOT funds, first, right?

293 posted on 01/24/2006 4:36:46 AM PST by Alia
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To: .cnI redruM; rdb3
No kidding! lol.

I've been studying the newer names the socialist orgs are giving themselves.. like.. "Constitutional Center for blah blah". It's just sort of a side hobby of mine... in the 90s, a socialist org would send out a press release with a ka-billion organizational ally names usually printed on the left side (har!) of the press release. Turns out, the entire 150 "org name" list consisted of about 30 people wearing multiple hats but "filing" as different orgs.

294 posted on 01/24/2006 5:00:45 AM PST by Alia
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To: G.Mason
It was indeed a pleasure, thank you. :)

Our plans focus on ensuring that America remains safe, terrorists are defeated, and democracy flourishes in the world … on expanding opportunities for ownership and investment … on making tax relief permanent and ensuring greater energy independence … on increasing the affordability and accessibility of health care … on promoting works of compassion and strengthening our greatest values … on preparing students for success in life by bringing the benefits of education reform to high schools … and on helping workers adjust to a changing economy by offering flexible training options that meet their individual needs.

Our Party’s 2004 platform addresses the major issues facing America in the first decade of the 21st century:
Winning the War on Terror … because our government’s most solemn duty is to keep its citizens safe....

295 posted on 01/24/2006 5:14:16 AM PST by Alia
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To: SwankyC; mr_hammer
It really burns when he's right, doesn't it.

lol. And you believe he's right? And support his positions, yes?

From Mr. Hammer's "penny-pinching" post:Don’t bring the War on Terror into this, you had all the info in the world to nail the 911 hijackers, but the size of the bureaucracy prevented this government from doing so.

SwankyC: Explain this, above, to me. Gorelick's wall exists or it doesn't. What do you think? Does it exist? Did it exist?

While I can appreciate Mr._Hammer's sentiments, it's just patently limited in comprehension, IMHO.

296 posted on 01/24/2006 5:18:45 AM PST by Alia
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To: hedgetrimmer
The WTO is OBVIOUSLY superceding the Constitution.

Well, with such knowledge, why didn't the President nominate you for the high court?

Point being, that if the WTO is obviously superceding the Constitution, then nothing can be done about it because the United States, its judiciary, executive and legislative are completely helpless.

OTOH, if it is not superceding the Constitution, but simply effecting an action that is in violation of the Constitution, then the judiciary will so find. If the USSC finds that, in fact, such agreements do not operate outside of the Constitution, then you may learn something you were unaware of before. So my point is valid. That is that such agreements do not create a set of laws that set aside our Constitution, with no recourse.

Where does the Constitution give an international tribunal authority to tax the American people? Where does it say that people who are not American citizens, are not elected by American citizens and do not operate UNDER the constitution can tax them?

That is the issue that would come within the jurisdiction of the federal court system. Since the Constitution gives the President and Congress the authority to make and ratify agreements, and taxes and fines are not specifically excluded from such authority, I would guess the USSC would not find it unconstitutional. Perhaps we should wait and see.

Such things don't bother me because any international agreement whether it be for trade or defense places certain limitations and requirements on all signing parties. Been going on since 1800. Since the US is not self sufficient, it must participate in trade agreements. But if a person is in a union controlled enterprise, I can understand reluctance for such agreements.

297 posted on 01/24/2006 5:20:59 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: CAluvdubya
Lungren is a McCain kind of republican.

I couldn't DISAGREE with you more. Lungren is not and has never been a moderate. He ran against Gray Davis. Towards end of the campaign, he made a very strong stance against abortion, for example.

I thought the "real conservatives" were all about principle. Are you?

298 posted on 01/24/2006 5:21:06 AM PST by Alia
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
No, I think we still need to support the party, but I agree with almost everythign he said.

How do you justify this in your mind? I'm curious.

299 posted on 01/24/2006 5:22:44 AM PST by Alia
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To: Alia
No Alia, I am not on a fiscal strike against Republican's, just the RNC.

Mr Blackwell and a handful of strong conservative Republican's will continue to receive my money.

Please when your quoting me, do not paraphrase.
300 posted on 01/24/2006 5:37:48 AM PST by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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