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To: .cnI redruM

I'm happy to see some folks standing up for their beliefs. If the head of the churches keep going against the wishes of their members, folks will walk with their feet, and their pocketbooks. Hope it's worth it to those who support the gay marriage proposals.


4 posted on 01/23/2006 5:03:15 AM PST by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: geezerwheezer
A marriage of any sort would prove unpleasant in a church that can't afford the cost of electricity or of hiring an organist.
5 posted on 01/23/2006 5:08:24 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Shame, not sanctions - UN policy on Iran)
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To: geezerwheezer
"If the head of the churches keep going against the wishes of their members, folks will walk with their feet, and their pocketbooks. Hope it's worth it to those who support the gay marriage proposals."

There is another ramification.

One of the reasons that denominations that "went liberal" at the leadership/national level, but didn't fail, is because the price of membership for a church is that the denomination, not the parish itself, holds the title to the land on which the church sits. If the church wants to get established, and purchase land, then the price for joining the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, or whichever, is writing the denomination's name on the deed.

This was apparently done to keep the parish in line. If the parish tried to bail out, well they could, but the denomination would effectively own the church that the local people paid for with their tithing.

It was quite a tether. Our church in Menlo Park tried to bail from the denomination in the 1970s (getting way too liberal) but the leadership's message was, "bail and your church folds -- no building, nothing for you renamed congregation." The church secretly started fundraising in order to purchase a new facility. The split never happened -- the parish ended up just ignoring the leftist impluses of the national leadership -- but it was a sobering time for many devoted, believing Christians.

But it's all changing. In California, a court case invalidated the provision that a church MUST give up the facility. I think it was a Methodist church. This decision has sent shivers down the spines of the major, mainstream, liberal denominations because they will have lost their only remaining legal control over parishes that want to stay true to the word.

10 posted on 01/23/2006 6:13:11 AM PST by tom h
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