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To: Junior
This thread's hopeless, but I should toss this in. It may save one person from a life of ignorance:

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63 posted on 01/23/2006 4:00:10 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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I had an interesting conversation with an ID promoter the other day and it went something like this:

ID Promoter: Life is so complex on Earth that there needed to be somebody or something that stepped in everything now and then and arranged things so humans could become humans. Life is just way too complex and to intricate to have happened on its own. Evolution cannot explain this complexity and shouldn't be taught as a fact in school unless the alternative of ID is also taught.

Me: So this somebody or something, was it God?

ID Promoter: I believe it was God, but it might have been an advanced civilization.

Me: That is really begging the question. First, evolution is not a scientific fact, rather it's a scientific theory and a scientific theory isn't what you are positing it to be. If you don't know the difference between what you believe a theory is and what scientific theory is, then I suggest you find out the difference and that will clear up a lot of the misconceptions you have.

Secondly, suppose it was some advanced civilization that poked its finger into the advancement of life on Earth, how did this advanced civiliztion come to be? That is really begging the question. Do you know what "begging the question is?"

Thirdly, suppose it was God that poked his finger into the advancement of life, you are now asking me to go from believing something very complex to something that is even more complex and mysterious. Here is a being that doesn't have a beginning, who creates world, no, universes just by thinking and speaking the word, who died and came back to life, who knows everything, is all powerful, and who is totally self-perpetuating and needs nothing outside of Himself, yet in spite of this, He, for some unknown reason, decides one day to create our universe and in spite of being all knowing and all powerful and all loving, He creates a universe full of evil, pain, and suffering. Then this God, for some reason decides to hide Himself from His major creation, mankind, and send all those who don't believe in Him to an eternity of Hell where they will suffer unspeakable pain and suffering forever and ever, and all this for His pleasure. Talk about complex and illogical. This level of complexity makes evolution look like child's play. And it too begs the question of if life is so complex that it requires some intervening intelligence, then how could God become so complex and so intelligent?

At this point, ID Promoter saw where I was going and ended the conversation. He also called me a paganistic heathen. Oh well, maybe my belief in Christ and God just isn't up to his standards. I believe that God did poke His finger in the advancement of life here on Earth, but I also believe that it shouldn't be taught as science. It doesn't pass the science test. Why can't it be taught is a philosophy class or something like that?


64 posted on 01/23/2006 4:33:14 AM PST by urroner
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