Atheist: Prove Jesus existed

News24 (South Africa) ^ | 22 January 2006 | News24

[Señor Zorro]

This is new ground for me, i've never really discussed this.

Welcome, then. I guess these are kind of old tromping grounds for me. LOL

I find it amazing they spend so much time and energy to prove NOTHING doesn't exist.

So do I, my friend, so do I.

[jennyp]

Tell this idiot

(I agree that he's an idiot; however...)

to go over and promote athiesm in Iran.

That's easy for you to say, snug & secure here in America (I assume). Have you put in your time as a missionary in a Muslim land?

[festus]

;Have you put in your time as a missionary in a Muslim land?

Yup. Been beheaded twice already!

Ok ok. You're points valid. But I wasn't really interested in converting them to athiesm just getting him to shutup. ;-)

[A.A. Cunningham]

Cascioli, a lifelong atheist,

That's BS. Cascioli attended the same seminary as Enrico Righi before dropping out.

[Junior]

Can't prove a negative.

[senorita]

OK, I understand your point from the Islamic viewpoint, they believe in Allah (GOD). But they don't place Christ very high, just a prophet.

But the Zeus example is really just weird. What, am I supposed to be scared that I'll be zapped and turned into a forest nymph or something?

[ark_girl]

They don't understand that Christianity teaches conversion by convincing people....Islam teaches conversion by infliction if people can't be convinced. These libs don't get that Islam is their worst nightmare when it's allowed to take a country over.

[Trajan88]

Re: "To Atheist: prove Jesus didn't exist."

I'll second that.

[RichInOC]

That might be too hard. I think I'd settle for seeing whether he has even nutter-quality documentation for what he's claiming, or whether he's just pulling it out of his hind end.

[gogogodzilla]

No, no! It stands for:

BCE - Before the Corporate Era
CE - Corporate Era

The change point was the development of Heaven, Inc.

:-)

[jennyp]

Here are some sources on Muslims who have converted to secularism & are trying to encourage others:

Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society

Ibn Warraq (ex-Muslim writer & activist)

Ali Sina (ex-Muslim writer & activist)

[mosquewatch.com]

Yes it would Jenny !

Jeff

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Well, you can't be against something that doesn't exist, so, with the defendant's own words, case closed.

Good show...

[mosquewatch.com]

Exactly, we let people choose on there own, waslam (no typo) says "Believe or else."

Jeff

[jennyp]

But the Zeus example is really just weird. What, am I supposed to be scared that I'll be zapped and turned into a forest nymph or something?

Shhh, don't even say that. Zeus might be listening!

:-)

[Reily]

Actually the Roman Empire was not anti-God ! There were gods aplenty. Christian's gave imperial officials the appearance of being disloyal. For example Christian unwillingness to participate in the emperor cult. Since the Empire was always racked with rebellions any whiff of disloyalty was easily exaggerated. Rome's great weakness IMHO was the fact they never really solved the problem of how the next emperor was picked ! So paranoia regarding loyalty was the rule!

[Semi Civil Servant]

It's impossible to prove any historical figure existed unless you believe in the authenticity of documents and/or artifacts. This is a silly exercise.

The dingbat atheist couldn't prove his great great grandfathers existed without relying on exactly the kind of evidence that proves Jesus is not a mythical figure.

[ApplegateRanch]

Why?

It looks like a publicity ploy to sell books.

From Wikipedia:

Recently a book, "The Fable of Christ" by Luigi Cascioli, an Italian ex-priest, now an atheist, has claimed that the Catholic Church deliberately confused John of Gamala with Jesus to build up their religion. Cascioli claims that his book is a decisive collection of proof demonstrating that Jesus is the result of manipulation and falsification of documents which in reality refer to a certain John of Gamala, son of Jude the Galilean and grandson of the rabbi Ezechia, a direct descendant of the Hasmonean dynasty founded by Simon, son of Mattathias the Maccabean.

Low book sales, so this generates free press time to try to pump up his figures.

Full article here

[SES1066]

From my experience there is the stand-alone atheist who has his opinion/belief and needs no buttressing. There are the other atheists who substitute atheism for religion and have the absolute need to proselytize and convert others into their belief structure. You appear to be type 1 where Mr Newdow and this Italian gent are the other. Their belief in non-belief requires fellow believers in non-belief.

[SES1066]

Given Zeus' history of promiscuousness, I'd be nervous if female and were to come to his attention - there is no divine birth control with him around. He was one HORNY dude!