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To: Luis Gonzalez
I am a believer of Jesus as my Lord and Savior, born again of water and spirit. I believe that the Holy Bible (KJV) is the Holy, undeniable, infallible word God.
I believe that the old English of the KJV Bible has the best translation to the original Hebrew and Greek text, for English reading persons. I believe if you are going to get close and personal to Jesus that you must look up the words in the original text and try to understand the context of what is being transcribed to get the full meaning. The old English words of the KJV Bible are easy to understand and are easily defined to the reader. (The Language of the King James Bible, Discover Its Hidden Built in Dictionary, by Gail Riplinger). The other translations have removed the fire from some of the scripture an even changed the overall meaning.
I did not read every post so please excuse me if I am repeating someone. I am not writing this to bash or degrade anyone about their belief in Jesus and how the Word of God is translated. I am hoping to empower, and to enlighten, to build up and confirm your belief in our Wonderful Great Awesome Merciful Full of Grace Holy Just Truthful Never Changing God.

First off the Word of God is true in every aspect. There are no embellishments in the Bible. There are no errors in the Bible. Just because a man interprets what is read in a particular way does not mean the Bible is wrong. There are no errors in the Bible only errors in the way men interpret (this includes myself). If there are errors or if it did not happen as God has written it, it would be a lie, and no reason to even follow his teachings. I am not a preacher, or even a erudite man. I have taken on the fight to disprove evolution and to show that the creation of the Bible is literal. I have been studying both sides of this great polemic.

On the account that Genesis was written after Babylonian captivity is not how I read it. To make a long story short Joseph is sold into slavery, ends up the 2nd only to Pharaoh, his family moves to Egypt to escape the famine. Pharaoh dies and the new Pharaoh does not like the Jews and enslaves them. Moses is the one who lead them away. Also Genesis is referred to a the 1st book of Moses. Babylonian captivity is not until later around 2nd Kings.

The first chapter of Genesis is about the creation of everything as we know it. This was done in the literal 24 hour day span. It was all complete in six days and on the seventh day God rested. Now there are several reasons that the creation had to happen in the 24 hour span without large gaps of time as many believe who try to make God conform to their belief. Instead of explaining what we see of the physical world with the Holy Bible as the foundation of everything. If on the third day God created plants how would they have lived millions of years without the sun on the fifth day? They could not. Or how would they have propagated if millions of years passed until the sixth day when insects were created? Many plants require insects for pollination. The other reason that God created the universe in six literal days and rested on the seventh is to set a precedence on our work week. Work six days and rest and praise and worship him on the seventh.

Now I read that there are two distinct creation stories. I do not believe this is so. Genesis 2:4 is a completion of the week and is not a beginning of creation. It speaks of the mist that went up from the earth, this is for another discussion but has to deal with Gen. 1:6. In Gen. 1:7 is a recount of creation of man. Gen. 1:8 God planted a garden, it's name was Eden, where he put Adam. Gen. 2:9 God made every tree that is pleasant to sight grow before Adam, this would be so that Adam knew for certain that the Lord God created them. He saw it. Now to Gen. 2:18 where God creates the beast and fowl so that Adam could see that he created them but also so he could name them, and also give him a wife. This all could have happened on the sixth day easily. How could he name all the animals? This is easy for the animals are kinds, cow kind, horse kind, dog kind, frog kind bird kind.

Now it was said that these were campfire stories, I again would have to disagree. I have this wonderful longevity chart that has the major players from Adam to Joseph. Now most know that Adam lived 930 years, but did you know that he was alive to know Methuselah, Noah's grandfather, and Lamech, Noah's father. What is the importance of this well Both of these men would have a 1st hand account of the creation so when they told it to Noah it was only a second hand account of the story. Now After the flood Noah lived 448 years he new Abraham for 58 years, so Abraham had a first hand account of the flood and a second hand account of the creation. Also Shem lived 500 years after the flood he lived long enough to know Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So Jacob had a first had account of the flood and a third hand account of the creation. Jacob or Israel told these stories to his son Joseph which would have made it 2nd hand about the flood and 4th on the creation. Now I am not in any way saying that Genesis is a passing down of stories around the camp fires. Genesis was written by Moses and he was inspired and filled with the Holy Spirit of God when he wrote it. My point about the longevity is campfire stories in the Jewish community would have been pretty accurate, specially since they are God's chosen people.
421 posted on 01/25/2006 10:34:07 PM PST by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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To: Creationist
Genesis 2:4 These are THE GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND OF THE EARTH when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

Adam has not yet been formed and here we are told there are generations which means family history.

Remember Peter, which Christians should know was to be the founder of Christianity tell us in IIPeter 3 the whole Chapter about how long a DAY is and Peter says that a DAY with the LORD is as a thousand years.

These days of creation are days with the LORD, you think the Heavenly Father was not aware of the controversy to come????

The creation in Genesis 1 were told they were to have dominion over fish of the sea, and fowl of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

After we are told alll this then in Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew:

for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth,

and there was NOT a man to till the ground.


Wonder how the original Hebrew writing breaks up the words into sentences and what these words actually mean?

You think busy little fingers have not been allowed to alter the translations, well according to Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, (note the text says "tree of life") and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

We are WARNED about what would be.
422 posted on 01/26/2006 3:45:54 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Creationist
"They could not..."

So, you claim to believe in a God that can create everything out of nothing, but then you turn around and place limitations on His power?

If He willed it so, plants would live without Sun and water.

Your mind cannot possible understand the complexity of Creation enough to decide what things could happen, and what things could not.

If you could do that, you'd be a God yourself.

"There are no errors in the Bible. Just because a man interprets what is read in a particular way does not mean the Bible is wrong. There are no errors in the Bible only errors in the way men interpret"

"I believe that the old English of the KJV Bible has the best translation to the original Hebrew and Greek text, for English reading persons."

So, if errors could only be differences in interpretation, and the KJV is a translation/interpretation, then you acknowledge the very real possibility of errors in the KJV.

441 posted on 01/26/2006 9:21:39 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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