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Interrogator Convicted in Death of Iraqi General
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-interrogate22jan22,0,2449357.story?coll=la-home-headlines ^

Posted on 01/21/2006 11:39:54 PM PST by ansel12

By Nicholas Riccardi, Times Staff Writer FT. CARSON, Colo. -- A military jury late Saturday night convicted an Army interrogator of negligent homicide in the death an Iraqi general who had been stuffed face-first in a sleeping bag. After seven hours of deliberations the six-member military panel opted not to convict Chief Warrant Officer Lewis E. Welshofer Jr. of murder, which would have carried a life sentence. Instead, the panel ruled that the death was a negligent homicide, a finding that caries a maximum three-year term in a military prison. The panel also found Welshofer guilty of dereliction of duty. ADVERTISEMENT Welshofer, 43, is the highest-ranking officer tried for murder in a case alleging abuse of detainees in the Bush administration's war on terror, according to human rights monitors. Welshofer stood mute as the verdict was read, swallowing silently. His sentencing is expected soon. The verdict in the court martial, came hours after Welshofer's defense attorney contended that his client was heeding an August 2003 e-mail from the office of the U.S. commander in Iraq. The e-mail cited by the defense was from Capt. William Ponce, and said, "The gloves are coming off, gentlemen .... We want these individuals broken. Casualties are mounting." In a reply to the e-mail, Welshofer wrote that the military needed to loosen its standards, which he said were more useful during World War II. "Today's enemies, especially in southwest Asia, understand force, not ... mind games." Welshofer was rebuked for suggesting violations of the Geneva Convention. But two weeks later, a Sept. 10 memo from the top commander in Iraq authorized several new interrogation techniques, including one that Welshofer says gave him permission to stuff Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush in the sleeping bag, bind him with an electric cord, straddle his chest and cover

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KEYWORDS: army; courtmartial; death; general; genevaconvention; interrogation; sleepingbag; torture; usarmy; welshofer; womengenerals; womeninthearmy
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1 posted on 01/21/2006 11:39:56 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Before the civilians go off, listen to the veterans,I'm glad for this conviction.


2 posted on 01/21/2006 11:49:36 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I'm kind of worried that this will be viewed by the arab world as a whitewash. Really bad for the goodwill we've been trying to build with these people.


3 posted on 01/21/2006 11:51:56 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: ansel12
Before the civilians go off, listen to the veterans,I'm glad for this conviction.

I won't go off, just observe that had the situation been reversed, the American would be very lucky to die as easily as the Arab did and the Arab wouldn't go to jail, he'd be a hero to his people. No doubt you'll respond that we're better than our enemies. I say we need to be worse and I think we will be before this is over, but we have to take some devastating blows to harden us.
4 posted on 01/22/2006 12:07:12 AM PST by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: ansel12

Silly sleeping-bag routine.
Who dreamed that up?
Oh yea, I forgot...
His superior officer is a woman.
Figures.
The "New Army."
This ain't your father's Army fellas.


5 posted on 01/22/2006 12:34:55 AM PST by XR7
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To: ansel12

What's the difference between killing the guy this way, or any other way? He was the enemy, and he got killed.


6 posted on 01/22/2006 1:06:36 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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XR7 wrote:
"Silly sleeping-bag routine.
Who dreamed that up?
Oh yea, I forgot...
His superior officer is a woman. "

---Maybe she was used to being "bagged over the head" on dates, and thought it wouldn't hurt the iraqi general either. :)

Maybe the interrogation technique was written backwards, or he was dislexic. Instructions were to put feet into sleeping bag first, , but was written or read: Put head into sleeping bag first"


7 posted on 01/22/2006 1:12:35 AM PST by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: JamesP81

I don't understand , we sent a officer to prison for letting a prisoner die during wartime, I think the world will at least realize this might be the cleanest guerrilla war ever fought.


8 posted on 01/22/2006 1:20:27 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

If I was the judge, I would suspend the sentence.


9 posted on 01/22/2006 2:47:28 AM PST by samtheman
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You have to figure out what you are judging.


10 posted on 01/22/2006 2:56:03 AM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I'm just saying what I would do.


11 posted on 01/22/2006 2:59:32 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Sorry to have troubled you.


12 posted on 01/22/2006 3:10:18 AM PST by ansel12
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To: stuartcr
What's the difference between killing the guy this way, or any other way? He was the enemy, and he got killed.

That's pretty pathetic. There's zero honor in killing someone by sitting on them in a sleeping bag. That defines weakness and incompetence.

13 posted on 01/22/2006 3:14:54 AM PST by mancogasuki (Live Free Or Die.)
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I didn't realise there was honor in taking a human life.


14 posted on 01/22/2006 3:54:06 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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There’s honor in taking a life to defend yourself or others. Not in incompetently suffocating your prisoner.


15 posted on 01/22/2006 4:42:08 AM PST by elfman2
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I wholeheartedly concur with the court's findings. You don't suffocate people in your custody. We need to demonstrate that we are a civilized society, even if the Muslim world refuses to get it.


16 posted on 01/22/2006 4:57:02 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: ansel12
"The gloves are coming off, gentlemen .... We want these individuals broken. Casualties are mounting."

Righteous sentence on the accused. Ref the quote above. I would like to see the entire e-mail for its full context, but taken at face value I would say there's a commander somewhere who wrote those words that gave this man a green light to go overboard with his interrogations. That's a culpable offense in my book.

17 posted on 01/22/2006 5:10:49 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: ansel12

No trouble. I'm just saying what I would do. In a war zone, an American soldier killing someone on the other side. Even if guilty of a crime, I would give them a suspended sentence. But that's just me.


18 posted on 01/22/2006 5:59:45 AM PST by samtheman
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To: ansel12
in the Bush administration's war

The poor Iraqi General wouldn't have died hadn't it been for the "Evil Bush," and his illegal war for oil.

19 posted on 01/22/2006 6:08:08 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: ansel12
I don't understand , we sent a officer to prison for letting a prisoner die during wartime, I think the world will at least realize this might be the cleanest guerrilla war ever fought.

I think it won't be kindly looked upon that the charge was reduced to negligent homicide from murder. Now, I think negligent homicide is the proper charge, without a doubt. Unfortunately others won't see it that way but I guess it doesn't really matter in the long run anyway. They are already calling us the great satan.
20 posted on 01/22/2006 11:09:44 PM PST by JamesP81
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