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Academic underachievers (Boys, discipline, dropouts, grades, medications, etc.)
The Washington Times ^ | January 22, 2006 | Joyce Howard Price

Posted on 01/21/2006 11:25:45 PM PST by neverdem

    First lady Laura Bush and a growing number of physicians, educators and psychologists say Americans need to wake up and see that boys lag far behind girls in school, and then demand that something be done.


    Mrs. Bush, mother of two grown daughters, speaks at conferences and in interviews about the declining status of boys in today's learning environment. She has charged that boys are being overlooked.


    "I think we need to pay more attention to boys. I think we've paid a lot of attention to girls for the last 30 years ... but we have actually neglected boys," Mrs. Bush told Parade magazine early last year.


    William Pollack, a psychologist at Harvard Medical School, agrees.


    "Boys are suffering. They are sitting in classrooms where they can't perform at the same level as girls and so cannot compete with girls," he says. "As a result, they have lower self-esteem. The bottom line is that they are suffering both academically and emotionally."


    Mr. Pollack, who also serves as director of the Center for Men and Young Men at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass., points out that both upper-class Caucasian boys and minority boys are failing.


    "All in all, most schools across the country today are boy-uncentered," he says.


    Michael Gurian and Kathy Stevens, co-authors of "The Minds of Boys: Saving Our Sons From Falling Behind in School and Life," back up claims that there is a "crisis in male education" with data from the Department of Education, the State Department and other sources. They point out that boys:


    •Receive the majority of D and F grades given to students in most schools, as high as 70 percent.


    •Create 80 percent of classroom discipline problems.


    •Account for 80 percent of high school...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: boys; girls; malestudents; school
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To: moog; Diva Betsy Ross

i am trying to think of the example of one he missed on the practice test. the question asked which one does not belong and it listed "fez", "fedora", ""bowler" and a non-hat option which i can't recall, well he had no idea and it is because only through reading books would you know that those were hats. you won't see them on vocab tests.


101 posted on 01/22/2006 1:16:13 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

i was not the slightest bit abashed about paying cash money for reading either. you motivate with whatever works, IMO!!!


102 posted on 01/22/2006 1:17:43 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Very true. My mom gave me some old reading tests from 30 years ago when she taught. They were pretty interesting to try out.

It's interesting to see the type of vocabulary one obtains from reading. Some kids really do gain a lot.


103 posted on 01/22/2006 1:20:48 PM PST by moog
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To: ExtremeUnction

Girls tend to be easier to condition into the mold the schools want. Sorry, but experience has shown me that it's much easier to indoctrinate a girl than a guy. They tend to be much prouder of getting good grades for regurgitating eveything the teacher says without thinking. Some experiences may vary, but I've never seen a girl challenge a teacher's stance on anything, but for guys it's very common. If BS is being taught, more likely than not guys won't pay attention, but girls will to get their A's because it makes them feel good.


104 posted on 01/22/2006 1:25:15 PM PST by DarkSavant ("Life is hilariously cruel" - Bender)
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To: thoughtomator

and the majority of school teachers are female....


105 posted on 01/22/2006 1:32:06 PM PST by thinking
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To: wintertime; All
Those running the government school show ( the NEA and educrats) hate America. They hate everything it stands for and want it destroyed. What better way to do that than educationally and emotionally crippling boys and turning out ineffectual men.

Solution: Destroy their weapon. Abolish government schooling. Put parents, teachers, and administrator back in charge. This can only be done if universal K-12 education is completely and totally privatized.

I tend to agree, but it's not politically realistic any time soon. The best you might hope for is scaling back gummint schools to 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade so the poorest kids get a chance to learn reading, writing and 'rithmetic, as Thomas Jefferson suggested, IIRC.

click on this:

106 posted on 01/22/2006 1:40:50 PM PST by FreeKeys ("Most widespread form of child abuse: sending children to the gov't to be educated."- Neal Boortz)
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To: thinking

A reason why I became one.


107 posted on 01/22/2006 1:48:25 PM PST by moog
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To: neverdem
Read the book "The War Against Boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. Enlightening to read how popular culture is being reworked in front of our eyes to denegrate men and "feminize" boys. Good discussion of how colleges would soon be dominated by girls (that became true sooner than the author thought it would) and how cooperative learning done poorly can hurt boys while it helps girls.

There has been discussion at the local level in a nearby county of having all girl and all boy middle schools. Certainly a thought. Of course we USED to have excellent all-male colleges until the liberals got a hold of them....

108 posted on 01/22/2006 1:55:04 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: DarkSavant

I have one daughter who is more of the typical compliant type. She has had teachers with liberal philosophies but she didnt' feel comfortable challenging them. One English teacher in particular did a number on McCarthy. That was then.......this is now. My younger daughter realized she would probably have this teacher and has read everything she can get her hands on about Joe McCarthy, including Coulter's book. This is one girl who is ready to challenge any teacher with facts. She is one tenacious little bulldog who is not afraid of challenges. But, you are very correct in your assumption that she is in the minority. It is the boys that more often will either challenge, or just ignore and go back to planning whatever mischief they can. (I was not fortunate enough to have boys, but I do get an absolute KICK out of my 4 nephews. Always, always something in the works with them.)


109 posted on 01/22/2006 2:01:05 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: Thoeting

You sound like ANOTHER great parent. I like hearing about others' kids. I get a big kick out of some things that these little ones do and say too.


110 posted on 01/22/2006 2:06:35 PM PST by moog
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To: wintertime
...government school cesspools of ignorance...

Excellent description.

111 posted on 01/22/2006 2:07:50 PM PST by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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To: neverdem

Thank God I live thousands of miles away from THAT madness. This semester in my sophomore English class we are reading "Beowulf," to be followed by "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey." Boys, for the most part, enjoy exciting stories with heroic men showing strength, courage, and intelligence.

To use the words of one sophomore boy: "I'm sick to death of girl amazon stories." You know, the ones where the girls are great and strong, and the boys barely mentioned at best or evil at worst.

The good news, at least for myself and my son, is that our schools way up here at the edge of the Arctic Circle are little influenced by the gender Nazis. I don't think there's a leftist in the bunch until my son gets to high school, and by that time, he should have the wherewithall to compassionately think of any leftist he meets as a prattling fool. It's good teaching in a place where a student who shows up at your doorstep with a shotgun means, "Let's go hunt some birds."


112 posted on 01/22/2006 2:13:04 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: redpoll

I have a high school classmate who teaches on Kodiak Island. He's "bearly" making it. :)


113 posted on 01/22/2006 2:18:46 PM PST by moog
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To: derllak
Do you think that maybe the lack of discipline has a role in this too? Teachers really can't do much to a kid that acts up or refuses to do school work (and trust me, kids KNOW that and some will take advantage of that fact!) Expelling the unruly ones, to the student, is like giving them a free mini holiday. Just wondering what your thoughts are. Oh man, you actually want me to be serious. Crap. I think lack of discipline can have a role too. Keep on trying is what I do. I'm not one to send too many kids to the principal's office, but I do expect the kids to get their work done and do it nice and so forth. i completely agree with your expelling statement, though. Interesting this topic is one thing that was discussed in church today. Several people made the comment on how important having both a MOM and a DAD are and I had to agree. Phew! Okay, I think I'm done being serious. That can get to me you know. :)
114 posted on 01/22/2006 2:45:58 PM PST by moog
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To: moog

See, I'm getting tired. I forgot to capitalize one of the "I" words.


115 posted on 01/22/2006 2:47:25 PM PST by moog
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To: FOG724
Both of my boys had a great lady teacher.( Fog724)

To Fog724,

So....they have a great lady teacher this year. What about next year? What happens when they are crowded in a school bus with a bunch of kids who haven't had a "great teacher".

Clearly, the evidence points to boys being educationally and emotionally abused by the entire government school system throughout their entire K-12 system. And,,,,it isn't good for the girls either to be witness to this abuse.

But,,,do you honestly think that your boys will have "great teachers" throughout elementary school and the stable of teachers they must endure in middle and high school?
116 posted on 01/22/2006 3:31:51 PM PST by wintertime
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To: moog
but it also includes things like the family unit, individual responsibility and effort, parental involvement, media, and so on and so on. ( moog)

To moog,

A government school teacher or principal can not address parenting in the home. Why? Government schools can't because the advice that must be dished out is NOT politically correct. If any teacher were to really take parents to task for poor parenting they would be fired.

Another problem is that no one is held accountable in the government system. The parent is forced to send their child to government school and the government school is forced to accept them. Geeze! Where's the accountability there?

Only a private school can dish out the (sometimes offensive) advice to parents that can really make a difference, and teach the values that are more likely to lessen the incidence of single motherhood.
117 posted on 01/22/2006 3:37:49 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Wow. You homeschool, right? Is there a ping list for homeschoolers here? Are you using any particular curriculum?

My daughter is 18 months and we are considering homeschooling.


118 posted on 01/22/2006 3:48:26 PM PST by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: moog
Not a bit actually. I think it is a bunch of factors, one big one being the absence or presence of a strong male figure in the household. ( moog)

To moog,

A government school can not teach the values that would lead to fewer single moms.

But,,,,I bet my 7th grade nun, Sr. Margaret Victoria, at my elementary school, St. Joan of Arc, would have had plenty of plain, easy to understand comments about to both parents and children.

If you want to see the moral values of society improve then lobby for the privatization of universal K-12 education. The parents ( mostly single moms) most in need of clear moral values and practical help and suggestion on creating education conducive homes can only hear it from private sources. Private schools can be one of those sources.

While I believe that you, personally, are a good influence on the students you teach, your influence on the parents can only be very limited. Why? This is so, because you can not have the entire government school system supporting the values that would really make a difference.

I promise you that at St. Joan of Arc moral and educational values were integrated into every subject and in every classroom, and were again reinforced at our local Catholic high school. Guess What? Single parenthood was frowned upon and in clear language plainly discouraged.
119 posted on 01/22/2006 3:50:43 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Yes, it is possible if the parents are proactive and alert. My older is in college and I watched everything and everyone like a hawk. Doubt I was the most popular parent, but I know I didn't care. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.


120 posted on 01/22/2006 3:50:45 PM PST by Thoeting
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