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On Gulf Coast, Dreams of New Kind of City
AP Wire Service hosted by MICentral ^ | Jan 21, 12:22 PM EST | ROBERT TANNER

Posted on 01/21/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by securityMama

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To: SuziQ

"*snort* What a goober! It's liberals, not conservatives, even the 'neo' kinds, who believe in the kind of central planning required for the New Urbanist ideas. Sounds like this guy just has a burr up his butt about conservatives."


LOL!
I can bump that with all of my heart!

I didn't have the time to read the article before I MS pinged y'all.
But, you are right...The New Urbanists are a bunch of libs.
They are building "City Centers" all over this area.

In the rebuilding plan, it would be nice to have walkable areas with a small town feel.
But, that can't be the entire focus of the plan.
I HOPE that they are more practical than the folks out here.

Goodness...they are doing everything possible to try to make our lives miserable.


21 posted on 01/21/2006 11:35:49 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: SuziQ

The coast is going to build back up, maybe not the way WE saw it but it is coming back. First things first, GET THE TRASH, TORN UP HOMES PICKED UP. Th BIGGEST mistake was to bring in folks from parts unknown and let them START the clean up, most are gone now, the BIG money went with them. Apparently they, the powers that are, did not have faith in us Mississippians, the 'dumb ole boys' down there. Our 'use to be homes', our land. our state can be cleaned up by us 'good ole boys'. I am ashamed of the politicians for not jumping on this with both feet.

I am 70 years old, got me a tractor, a big ole chain, my ear phone radio and like so many, go to a neighbors house and pull trees into a pile for burning. It is like a war zone here up in the country but we don't fall to our knees begging for help, sure, we could use it but a neighbor is a neighbor. you help a person in need, least that is what my daddy taught me a long time ago.


22 posted on 01/22/2006 3:14:27 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: securityMama

--Kudos to them. Glad to hear it. You never hear the good things hardly about the effect Katrina had on other parts. Sheesh! You would think only New Orleans took a hit and they were the only news worthy ones. Thanks for the post.


23 posted on 01/22/2006 3:19:34 AM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: dirtboy

1) You are not here on the ground, and you do not know what is happening HERE in Mississippi.

2) You are just spewing a knee-jerk reaction without knowledge of fact.

3) You can keep YOUR dang Tax money!

LLS


24 posted on 01/22/2006 5:46:35 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: dixiechick2000
Mayor A. J. Holloway of Biloxi appeared on WLOX TV last Sunday, being interviewed by Dave Elliot . He said, " I have studied the plan carefully. There are many good ideas in it. Let's be realistic... if we institute 5 to 10% of this plan, we will be doing a good job".

When pressed for examples he said, "Take the light rail project. It will cost a huge amount of money to build, and people here in Mississippi will never use it. People here want to DRIVE"!

Gulfport and our new Mayor are slowly coming to the same conclusions. Public support for radical shifts in our way of life is just not there.

Much of this "outside planning" will never see the light of day. "Our" public will never support the majority of these "pie-in-the-sky" plans. We just want to get back to normal, and not try to replicate South Florida.

You are spot-on in your assessment!

LLS
25 posted on 01/22/2006 6:02:08 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: gulfcoast6
GOD bless you. Many of us are doing the same as you!

I can tell you one thing though... living near a FEMA burn-site is no joy! I am living on antihistamines and nasal spray! :-)

LLS
26 posted on 01/22/2006 6:06:42 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: gulfcoast6

Well said!

It was a few 70 year old guys with tractors, chains and chainsaws that cut open HWY 22 and got us moving the day after Katrina here in Ponchatoula. Didn't see hardly any offical sorts, just the good-ole-boys. :)


27 posted on 01/22/2006 6:30:18 AM PST by Maury
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To: dirtboy
Agree with your last three paragraphs, however, are you old enough to remember the Super Outbreak in 1974? If not, take a look at this page:

Xenia, Ohio Tornado


28 posted on 01/22/2006 10:52:40 AM PST by securityMama
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To: gulfcoast6

My sister and b-i-l are doing what you're doing. Little by little they're taking the trees apart and cleaning the 20" of sand off the slab, which is all that remains of their concrete block cottage. What's interesting, is that the other house on their property, a wooden one that was behind the concrete block one, wasn't washed away, but it did end up 30' from it's original position. Fortunately, the county is helping those along the beach by hauling away the larger pieces of junk. I don't know if they'll rebuild or not; they're still considering it.That house had been there for quite a long time; it had survived Camille, so my sister thought it would make it this time.


29 posted on 01/22/2006 12:01:04 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
Most all we know living in the destroyed areas are rebuilding, I just sold my house two months before the storm and lived south of the tracks, destroyed all the house one house south of mine to the water.
30 posted on 01/22/2006 2:05:05 PM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: LibLieSlayer

It is just the way we are, 'what can I do to help you' NOT 'what can you do to help me'.


31 posted on 01/22/2006 2:07:28 PM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: dirtboy
Yes, the last time a CA city was destroyed was 1906. But, I can assure you it will happen again. And, Anchorage was pretty well destroyed in the Good Friday Earthquake of 1964.

Yes, tornadoes do take out cities...or at least have the potential to take out the economic heart of them. St. Louis' CBD was leveled twice...once in 1896..and again in 1927. These two events led to St. Louis losing its place as the "capital" of the MidWest to Chicago. Also, the focus of last night's "It Could Happen Tomorrow" on TWC was the economic damage that would be wrought to Texas and the USA if an F5 tornado went straight through downtown Dallas.

And yes, we must live in coastal areas b/c that is where maritime commerce...not to mention tourism...is inherent. Why do you think 80% of all Americans live w/in 100km of a coastline? I guess we shouldn't have built Miami...or NYC...or DC...or Galveston...or Mobile...etc...but it is a fact of human civilization that we live along the water...for many reasons.

I also wonder what natural disaster might affect your area in the future. I hope, God forbid one does, that you don't plan on applying for any FEMA grants/loans, SBA loans, etc.

I guess our President said it best:

"We're the heirs of men and women who lived through those first terrible winters at Jamestown and Plymouth, who rebuilt Chicago after a great fire, and San Francisco after a great earthquake, who reclaimed the prairie from the Dust Bowl of the 1930s. Every time, the people of this land have come back from fire, flood, and storm to build anew -- and to build better than what we had before. Americans have never left our destiny to the whims of nature -- and we will not start now." -- President GWB, 9/15/05
32 posted on 01/23/2006 3:53:04 PM PST by wxdawg (Virtute et armis)
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I also wonder what natural disaster might affect your area in the future. I hope, God forbid one does, that you don't plan on applying for any FEMA grants/loans, SBA loans, etc.

Uh, once again, I am not saying to not help rebuild.

However, we have had, what, eight major hurricanes hit the Gulf and Florida in two years?

The government used to rebuild after floods in the floodplain. They finally got out of that business by rebuilding once on higher ground.

Any honest assessment of risk has to look at how soon before it is likely that disaster will hit again. In the case of a floodplain, that is too often for taxpayers to repeatedly subsidize people who live there. Wheras earthquakes are typically 80+ year events. And tornadoes are at their worst a mile wide.

It is clear that the immediate Gulf Coast has become a major high-risk area in the current uptick of the hurricane cycle. As taxpayers, we have to make hard choices as to how tens of billions of dollars are to be used. Or else we'll be asked to spend them again way too soon. If you cannot deal with that concept, then you're part of the reason that we are seeing some Katrina fatigue in this county. It's not that we're not willing to help and help big. It's just that we are not willing to pay to simply set up the bowling pins again.

33 posted on 01/23/2006 4:57:31 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: dirtboy

Did you know that the majority of homes & businesses which were washed away, were NOT in flood plains? I understand what you're saying regarding rebuilding, but keep in mind that few destroyed buildings were in "flood plains". New Orleans is a different case in point - as you probably are aware, most of the city is below sea level - Big, Big difference from coastal Mississippi.


34 posted on 01/23/2006 5:58:12 PM PST by securityMama
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To: securityMama
Did you know that the majority of homes & businesses which were washed away, were NOT in flood plains?

They are instead right on the Gulf Coast, which, in this hurricane cycle uptick, carries a very high level of risk.

I'm sorry, but living on the Gulf Coast now carries too much risk to ask taxpayers to subsidize rebuilding in place. If you want to enjoy living on the coast, rebuild on your own dime. If you wish to move past the point of Katrina's surge, then by all means, taxpayers should help.

35 posted on 01/23/2006 6:05:14 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: gulfcoast6

"you help a person in need, least that is what my daddy taught me a long time ago."


That's what most Mississippians were taught,
and are STILL taught.

It's just one reason why I love MS!


36 posted on 01/24/2006 12:27:30 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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"Take the light rail project. It will cost a huge amount of money to build, and people here in Mississippi will never use it. People here want to DRIVE"!


The folks in OR didn't want light rail.
Never mind that it was voted down, they built it anyway.
Folks here want to DRIVE, too.
So, we have empty light rail cars, and full to the brim streets.


"You are spot-on in your assessment!"


Why, thank you!
I've lived with the New Urbanists for over a decade.
Mayor Holloway is one smart cookie to rebuff it.


37 posted on 01/24/2006 12:34:10 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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