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Trapped Miners Found Dead (WV)
Fox News ^ | 1/21/05 | AP

Posted on 01/21/2006 2:10:00 PM PST by 2111USMC

Edited on 01/21/2006 2:22:59 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

>MELVILLE, W.Va. — Rescuers on Saturday found the bodies of two coal miners who disappeared after a conveyor belt caught fire deep inside a coal mine.

The bodies of Don I. Bragg, 33, and Ellery Hatfield, 47, were found in an area of the mine where rescue teams had been battling the fire for more than 40 hours.

"We have found the two miners we were looking for," said , director of the state Office of Miners' Health Training and Safety. "Unfortunately we don't have a positive outcome."

The miners became separated Thursday evening as their 12-member crew tried to escape a conveyor belt fire at Aracoma Coal's Alma No. 1 mine in Melville, about 60 miles southwest of . The rest of the crew and nine other miners working in a different section of the mine escaped unharmed.

Gov. and U.S. Sen. Jay Rockefeller informed families of the deaths at a church prior to making the announcement, along with Don Blankenship, chairman of the mine's owner, Massey Energy.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: aracomamine; jayrockefeller; mining; tragedy
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To: Lizavetta

If the "Rule of Three's" for similar major tragedies takes effect, well ...


61 posted on 01/21/2006 2:49:02 PM PST by Rte66
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To: Armedanddangerous

You make a lot of sense...and you, I trust, the politicians I don't.

Thanks so much for letting we, who are ignorant about coal mines, know what you DO know...

And of course, my prayers go to the men and their families...but I have been praying since the accident..and sometimes the ANGER I feel towards politicians that USE these types of accidents to further THEIR careers, just has to come out.

I hope you understand.


62 posted on 01/21/2006 2:49:22 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Howlin

By the time they get through "fixing" the mines via regulation, there'll be no jobs left in WV.


63 posted on 01/21/2006 2:49:54 PM PST by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Armedanddangerous

"Why do we need to fly rescue teams in from Illinois, a task that takes six hours, when we could have teams on standby here in West Virginia?"

Sounds like a state issue to me.


64 posted on 01/21/2006 2:50:28 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: George from New England

On the contrary, we need WVA dirty coal because slick willie locked up the clean burning coal in Utah.


65 posted on 01/21/2006 2:52:56 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: penelopesire; Howlin
Coal Fatalities for 1900 Through 2004


Total Number of Coal Mining Fatalities from 1900 through 2004: 104,552

Please Note:
Office workers included starting in 1973.


Year Miners Fatalities Year Miners Fatalities Year Miners Fatalities Year Miners Fatalities
1900
1901
1902
1903
1904
1905
1906
1907
1908
1909
1910
1911
1912
1913
1914
1915
1916
1917
1918
1919
1920
1921
1922
1923
1924
1925
1926
1927
1928
1929
448,581
485,544
518,197
566,260
593,693
626,045
640,780
680,492
690,438
666,552
725,030
728,348
722,662
747,644
763,185
734,008
720,971
757,317
762,426
776,569
784,621
823,253
844,807
862,536
779,613
748,805
759,033
759,177
682,831
654,494
1,489
1,574
1,724
1,926
1,995
2,232
2,138
3,242
2,445
2,642
2,821
2,656
2,419
2,785
2,454
2,269
2,226
2,696
2,580
2,323
2,272
1,995
1,984
2,462
2,402
2,518
2,234
2,231
2,176
2,187
1930
1931
1932
1933
1934
1935
1936
1937
1938
1939
1940
1941
1942
1943
1944
1945
1946
1947
1948
1949
1950
1951
1952
1953
1954
1955
1956
1957
1958
1959
644,006
589,705
527,623
523,182
566,426
565,202
584,582
589,856
541,528
539,375
533,267
546,692
530,861
486,516
453,937
437,921
463,079
490,356
507,333
485,306
483,239
441,905
401,329
351,126
283,705
260,089
260,285
254,725
224,890
203,597
2,063
1,463
1,207
1,064
1,226
1,242
1,342
1,413
1,105
1,078
1,388
1,266
1,471
1,451
1,298
1,068
968
1,158
999
585
643
785
548
461
396
420
448
478
358
293
1960
1961
1962
1963
1964
1965
1966
1967
1968
1969
1970
1971
1972
1973
1974
1975
1976
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
189,679
167,568
161,286
157,126
150,761
148,734
145,244
139,312
134,467
133,302
144,480
142,108
162,207
151,892
182,274
224,412
221,255
237,506
255,588
260,429
253,007
249,738
241,454
200,199
208,160
197,049
185,167
172,780
166,278
164,929
325
294
289
284
242
259
233
222
311
203
260
181
156
132
133
155
141
139
106
144
133
153
122
70
125
68
89
63
53
68

1990
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004

168,625
158,677
153,128
141,183
143,645
132,111
126,451
126,429
122,083
114,489
108,098
114,458
110,966
104,824
108,734
66
61
55
47
45
47
39
30
29
35
38
42
27
30
28

SOURCE: US Department of Labor

66 posted on 01/21/2006 2:54:22 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Yes. The man really does have a dog named "Splash".)
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To: oceanview

This is an inherently dangerous profession, underground mining. There are practical improvements in mine safety that can be achieved. For example, take this belt conveyor fire. Odds are, this was a rubber conveyor belt. Rubber compounds are used in most of the mine conveyor belts in use in the US. Conveyor belts used in coal mines are required be pass an MSHA flame propagation test. This does not mean the conveyor belts won't burn. I have lost MSHA approved conveyor belts due to fire. The British Coal Board has a more rigorous specification for underground belts. It contains a drum friction test. Most belt fires start when the belt jams but the drive pulleys keep turning. The friction between the stalled belt and the turning pulleys rapidly creats a fire. The British Coal Board belt requires the belting to part (essentially melt) before a fire starts. Only a PVC belt will pass this test, called a drum friction test. A rubber compound belt will not pass this test. In fact, BCC PVC belt will not propagate flame. One can take an oxygen/acetylene torch and try to ignite PVC belt. Once the flame source is removed, the fire goes out.

I can sleep better at night knowing that my mine belt will not burn. MSHA should start by adopting the BCC specification, and outlawing the use of rubber compound conveyor belts if they can't pass a drum friction test.


67 posted on 01/21/2006 2:56:15 PM PST by USN40VET
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Anyway you could get those stats to the Fox Bimbette? I swear, she never takes a breath! Get HER an oxygen bottle.
68 posted on 01/21/2006 2:56:38 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Howlin

pretty much - hearings, comittees, new regulations, spending.

some DNC person on FNC just now:

"why are we sending missions to Pluto when we can't provide oxygen to miners?"


69 posted on 01/21/2006 2:58:41 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Pukin Dog

Just shot them an email with the link.

These people need to get a grip. This is tragic, but they're acting like it's unprecedented.


70 posted on 01/21/2006 3:01:38 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Yes. The man really does have a dog named "Splash".)
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To: Armedanddangerous

those larger oxygen tanks would be heavy to carry, and if you stored oxygen in various places underground, you have to deal with a fire hazard. communications through solid rock, is difficult.

mind you, nothing is impossible - but you can only make practical applications of technology and still make sure the underlying jobs is doable.

to be honest - the safest thing for this industry would be - massive automation through robotics. but then, there would be no jobs for miners in WV, so they would oppose robotic automation of coal mining too.

you just can't win.


71 posted on 01/21/2006 3:01:59 PM PST by oceanview
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To: 2111USMC

---My prayers go out to the families. God bless them all.


72 posted on 01/21/2006 3:02:23 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Thanks for the link. Got me to thinking.

Click here for a .pdf file from the DOL on fatalities for various industries from 2004.

The MSM and pols ought to have a look.

73 posted on 01/21/2006 3:02:52 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Armedanddangerous
They can set up a comm network in coal mines. Dead men don't have much to say so the unit would have to have a man down unit with it. The pack that they use is just a device to scrub the air. To extend it you would have to adopt a standard design. Then you could develop a quick change canister. In a fire the last thing you want is to add air to the heat/fuel.
This was a withdrawal any green squad leader or elementary school teacher could have done. We still don't know what nailed them yet.
74 posted on 01/21/2006 3:03:03 PM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: OldFriend

good point.


75 posted on 01/21/2006 3:03:14 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I was wondering why they can't put transponders on these guys so that if someone enters the mine and needs to find them quickly there'd either be a record of where they were located or a way to find them quickly.


76 posted on 01/21/2006 3:04:44 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: USN40VET

good practical point. I nominate you for the mining commission (seriously) - we need sound thinkers on these commissions, and less political know-nothings.


77 posted on 01/21/2006 3:04:54 PM PST by oceanview
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To: 2111USMC


OMG, not again. Prayers up for these gentlemen, their families, and their co-workers.

Who will be the first to blame Bush for this??? Tick tick tick tick just a matter of time before some clown accuses Bush............


78 posted on 01/21/2006 3:12:19 PM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: rockabyebaby

just read this thread, the Dems have descended on west virginia this time - and they are taking advantage of these deaths to pitch the "only we care about you" agenda regarding coal.


79 posted on 01/21/2006 3:13:49 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Echo Talon
Kinda makes you wonder what took them so long to find the bodies.

From what I understand the fire was still burning in places, no direct route to the bodies.

80 posted on 01/21/2006 3:14:36 PM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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