A European dictatorship

Washington Times ^ | January 20, 2006 | Frederick W. Stakelbeck Jr.

[x5452]

I'm still waiting for you to enumerate which of those carrying out the ukranian famine of 1933 were ethnic Russians.

"By the end of 1930s, approximately four-fifths of the Ukrainian cultural elite had been "eliminated".[22] Some, like Ukrainian writer Mykola Khvylovy, committed suicide. One of the leaders of the Ukrainian Bolsheviks, Mykola Skrypnyk, witnessing the results of his cooperation with Moscow, shot himself in the summer of 1933. " (wiki)

Who were the government officials organizing the famine?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Kosior

[jb6]

Temnyky -- funny, my wife is Russian and never heard of that little term of yours. But what else is new, since 95% of what you post is pure BS and the remaining 5% is questionable at best.

When are you going to explain your blind hatred of Russians and your constant and consistant lies?

[jb6]

Spanalot is a master spy and has killed hundred of Russians, on his X-Box.

[jb6]

Even General Lebed was Ukrainian, while the present PM in Ukraine is Russian. The Lvov hatred is a venom straight from Satan.

[jb6]

What do you call Putin when he has a tantrum and shuts off the gas to Europe in the middle of a record freeze.

I call that a typical Spanalot LIE. As a socialist propagandist you know its' a lie because I posted 2 articles from German gas companies who flat out said the gas was taken out by Ukraine. Oh and you WERE PINGED, so once more you are caught in a leftist lie. Congrats.

[jb6]

Spanalot is a socialist shill using communist publications when they suit him. Some "conservative" that is.

[jb6]

You should have seen this trolls attempt to prove that I'm anti-semetic. The best he could come up with was a quote where I said there were Jews who conspired with Hitler and that in every ethnic group there are 1-3% scum factor willing to back stab their own.

Typical of a spany attack.

[jb6]

Spanalot, the shill of Zavtra and the Russian Communist Party. Nice to know you push their crack.

[jb6]

Because those service men were serving America, a nation Spany is not on friendly terms...or one at least his masters don't like, with Bush at it's helm. Why else would he shill for Clintonesqe Third Way Socialists?

[spanalot]

"Temnyky -- funny, my wife is Russian and never heard of that little term "

I would expect someone in your vocation to deny its existence.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:R1hD9SQhYUoJ:www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php%3Farticle_id%3D2368130+temnyky&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[Romanov]

Your temnyki argument regarding this issue would carry a modicum of validity if it didn't come from "Zavtra". Care to denounce this newspaper? Or do you stand by its credibility? I realize you won't answer this because you've boxed yourself in.

[spanalot]

"Your temnyki argument regarding this issue would carry a modicum of validity if it didn't come from "Zavtra"."

Stop AVOIDING the issue - why do your and jb6's posts parrot this Temnyky directive word for word i.e. implicating Putins opponents in an isolated attack by a madman.

[Mazepa]

And while we're on the subject, there's nothing wrong with being a patriot, but a nationalist is a weak-minded individual. A great man once said a patriot is a man who loves his country and respects other countries, a nationalist is a man who loves his country and hates others.

I've been pondering for some time now about the two (nationalist and patriotic), and the only difference, as I understand, is in the degree, but basically it's the same phenomena. In Ukrainian case, "nationalist" term is an overused misnomer because Soviets branded ANY show of Ukrainian patriotism and independence movements as "nationalist".

[Mazepa]

Even General Lebed was Ukrainian
I didn't know that.

while the present PM in Ukraine is Russian
:) Yekhanurov is a Buriat, not Russian.
(Not everyone in Russia is Russian)

[Romanov]

Huh? You're the one AVOIDING. You bring up a falsified document published by a source "Zavtra" known for printing false documents and you want people to answer you?

BTW, Spanalot - According to your source on the "Temnyki," the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a true document. One can only surmise you also believe this, since you REFUSE to condemn this vile source of information.

[Romanov]

" In Ukrainian case, "nationalist" term is an overused misnomer because Soviets branded ANY show of Ukrainian patriotism and independence movements as "nationalist"."

I think you've hit the root of the current problems. The Soviets enforced multiculturalism attempted to stifle any "national" pride. Add to this that most of these decrees emanated from Moscow and were seen as being "pro-Russian" in nature. After the implosion of the Soviet Union the leftover resentment from perceived Russification led to a spike in radical nationalism, instead of "national" patriotism.

In my travels, I've noticed the amount of hatred of another nation is based on what racial group the person is. For example, in Turkmenistan, they see Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians as all being the oppressor since the Slavic races enjoyed dominance over the other races. Same can be said for the Baltics. They don't really differentiate between Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians. Now, of course, they're willing to play the Ukraine and Russia off of each other, because it suits their goals.

As they see it, each of those ethnicities enjoyed dominance over the other ethnicities. However, for Ukrainians, Russians are resented for being the dominant ethnicity during Soviet times. Russians, on the other hand, see Ukrainians as ungrateful because they feel they "hooked" up their Slavic brothers during Soviet times.

To me, an outside observer, it's all nonsense. None of these countries will truly be able to advance in a clean and uncomplicated manner without putting aside their differences and forgiving the past. They were all victims in one way or the other. Basing your foreign policy outlook because of hurt feelings from decades ago only leads to disaster. Ukraine and Russia BOTH need to keep this in mind. In reality neither can do completely without the other.

[Romanov]

So he's a Rossiyanin and not a Russkij! ;)

[spanalot]

""You bring up a falsified document published by a source "Zavtra" known for printing false documents and you want people to answer you? ""

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in case you did not catch this response addressed to you as jb6
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To: jb6
""you never explained your parroting of the Temnyky line within hours of its release""
"Ahh, Spanalot, once more pushing the Zvatra newspaper .."

Your silly but typical ad hominem is ironic as it betrays another fault --- why then are you parroting something from the papar you villify.

But Russian marching orders to the Press is very real and you have been caught.

You continue to evade the question and now we can only presume guilt.



31 posted on 01/25/2006 6:54:58 PM EST by spanalot

[Romanov]

You're a sad person. I'll consider it a compliment that you think I'm posting on here as Jb6. Sorry to tell you it's just not true.

But I do "appreciate" your attempts to deflect the real criticism laid at your feet: You're continued use of an Anti-American/anti-Semitic/Nationalist/Communist/pro-Arab/pro-terrorist newspaper that is a tool of the Red-Brown coalition currently operating within the boundaries of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. This speak volumes to your TRUE aims and goals.

[spanalot]

"Basing your foreign policy outlook because of hurt feelings from decades ago only leads to disaster."

This is a vile display of your Genocide denial. How dare you portray the murder of 100 million by the Kremlin and its agents as "hurt feelings".

Your kind is beneath contempt.