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Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?
Chronicles Magazine ^
| 01/20/2006
| Srdja Trifkovic
Posted on 01/21/2006 10:17:13 AM PST by Jeremydmccann
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To: Jeremydmccann
Not and remain a "devout Muslim."
I think the bigger question is, does America need or want Muslim citizens?
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posted on
01/21/2006 10:38:43 AM PST
by
IronJack
To: ClearBlueSky
They keep saying it- plainly, honestly- and the STUPID among us refuse to hear it. Reminds me of a friend who owned a bar room. It was a neighborhood bar and just about everyone in it knew each other.
He was telling me how one of his regular customers came in and called him aside. The patron explained to my friend that his ensuing actions were not meant personally to my friend and they might affect his business, and he was sorry.
MY friend didn't quite grasp the situation. The guy walked down to a booth pulled out a gun and fired 4 shots into a customer and killed him.. As he was exiting the bar with gun in hand, he turned to my friend and said I'm sorry it had to happen here in your place. (He was later arrested)
Sometimes you have to pay attention to what is being said. The Muslims make their plans available to anyone who will read or listen.
To put it as blunt as possible - When the opportunity presents itself, the Muslims are going to kill you, because you don't believe that Allah is God. - tom
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posted on
01/21/2006 10:39:49 AM PST
by
Capt. Tom
(Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
To: Jeremydmccann
To: IronJack
Let me answer that, no and no.
To: Jeremydmccann
I can remember a time when the same questions were asked of and about Catholics. I suppose the question has less to do with Islam and more to do with culture. For the most part the middle east does not have a history of nations or nationalism. The people there identify in the following order 1) family, 2) tribe, 3) sect, 4) Islam, 5) community, 6) nation.
To: ClearBlueSky
Muslims? Loyal Americans? No way.
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"And we MUST start enforcing the laws against treason and sedition."
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Dittoes!
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posted on
01/21/2006 10:48:40 AM PST
by
eleni121
('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
To: Natural Law
I don't know about family being #1 seems to me they enjoy hacking up their own wifes and daughters almost as much as infidels!
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posted on
01/21/2006 11:00:13 AM PST
by
ABN 505
To: strategofr
while enjoying strong MSM support. Well, and here may be a new thought: SUE media outlets that are considered treasonous in the peoples mind.
We CAN fight the MSM.
But first, we must WANT to.
To: Jeremydmccann
Pious Muslim/Loyal American An oxymoron- No?
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posted on
01/21/2006 11:05:28 AM PST
by
Minutemen
("It's a Religion of Peace")
To: Minutemen
Definitely not a redundancy.
To: Jeremydmccann
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posted on
01/21/2006 11:11:03 AM PST
by
my_pointy_head_is_sharp
(Keep on fighting back, against everything the Left stands for.)
To: Dark Skies
One of the most illuminating moments of the past year came Thanksgiving, when I was in my local deli, run by a Yemeni family.
The absolute rapture or America and Thanksgiving as he spoke of how 27 kinsfolk gathered for "four turkeys, man. Thanksgiving's great!"
The guy is also devout -- he closes for an hour for Friday prayers -- but he appears to be an equally devout American.
The trouble with the Muslim creed, I reckon, is that it sets the bar for devotion just so high that, with just a short stretch, the even-more-devout can embrace blowing themselves up. It's a petri dish for cultivating fanaticism. While my local store owner seems a decent, reasonable man (and he's honest to a T), it's his faith that has the fatal flaw.
To: Jeremydmccann
No.
Ask the Imam
To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance. is it ok to take the oath.
As Muslims, we are duty bound to follow our lives strictly according to Shariah. Whatever Shariah allows us to do, we will abide by that and whatever Shariah has restricted us from, we will refrain from it. Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator. (Mirqaat vol.7 pg.217; Imdadiyyah).
Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shariah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
AND
What place should the feelings of Patriotism and Nationalism have in a Muslim? Can a Muslim feel proud to be a citizen of his country and take part in Independence celebrations, etc.?
You are writing from the US, hence, we assume you are referring to the independence day of the US.
The US government is at open war with Islam and the Muslims. To honour their symbols, and revere the celebrations is not only Haraam
(An Arabic word, used in Islam to refer to anything that is prohibited by the faith. ), there is fear that such an act will cause the participant to denounce his Imaan. Such a person may have difficulty in reciting the Kalimah at the time of death.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.
CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Excepted from Ask the Imam website
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posted on
01/21/2006 11:47:26 AM PST
by
Dr.Zoidberg
(Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
To: Dr.Zoidberg
excepted = excerpted
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posted on
01/21/2006 11:50:08 AM PST
by
Dr.Zoidberg
(Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
To: Jeremydmccann
Can a Pious Muslim Become a Loyal American?Only about to the extent a Communist can be...
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posted on
01/21/2006 12:05:42 PM PST
by
Gritty
("Islam us a universal ideology that leads the world to justice"-Ahmadinejad)
To: Kiss Me Hardy
Please keep in mind that the hijackers lived in this country for years and no one they met daily suspected their true feelings. There are Muslims here now, among us- that some of us trust and consider 'regular' guys-who will be the next to pull off a terrorist attack. Those who considered them 'good Muslims' will be shocked.
I'm not saying the man you mentioned is a terrorist, just that-knowing his 'faith' can't be trusted- you should be less trusting and more vigilant.
It is our naivete and willingness to take people at face value that they use against us.
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posted on
01/21/2006 12:57:37 PM PST
by
ClearBlueSky
(Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
To: Kiss Me Hardy
While my local store owner seems a decent, reasonable man (and he's honest to a T), it's his faith that has the fatal flaw.I absolutely agree. There are many good men and women who have been roped into islam whether by an accident of birth or because they were duped as converts.
The evil is hidden inside islam...under the clutter of the language of the Quran. I suggest there is a living spirit behind islam...and it certainly is NOT benign.
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posted on
01/21/2006 1:16:20 PM PST
by
Dark Skies
("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
To: Natural Law
"I can remember a time when the same questions were asked of and about Catholics"
--- Yes, you can.
However, the Catholics were not advocating murder, rape and terrorism
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posted on
01/21/2006 3:19:21 PM PST
by
Casekirchen
(The Iranian mullahs did something right when they banned (Country &) Western music)
To: Casekirchen
Thank you!
That is a specious comparison. What Pope, or local Catholic priest, urges the faithful to butcher others,commit murder/suicide, or insist that no other religion but Catholicism should exist-much less that it should rule the world?
No other modern religion can be compared to Islam for barbaric savagery. You have to go back to the real dark ages.
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posted on
01/21/2006 6:22:52 PM PST
by
ClearBlueSky
(Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
To: Jeremydmccann
The thing about Radical Islam is the way we seem to go out of our way to give it special protection as a religion...
If a Hardshell Baptists Minister called for the killing of people who did not follow the Baptists Creed, all hell would break loose!
If a Catholic Priest did the same, more hell...
I say when a religion goes past the spiritual, it is not a religion!
In the case of Radical Islam, it does not deserve protection... It deserves to be crushed!
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posted on
01/21/2006 6:47:37 PM PST
by
Bender2
(Even dirty old robots need love!)
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