Posted on 01/20/2006 10:28:11 AM PST by TFFKAMM
Just freepmailed UglyBiker re this.
ping
Thanks for the ping!
Mormons were expelled from Missouri. The ones who expelled them took over thier property.
They were later expelled from Navoo Illinois. At the time Navoo was the largest city in Illinois. The ones who expelled them took over the property there also.
That is why they ended up in the Salt Lake Valley. The Salt Lake Valley was part of Mexico until they had been there about a year.
It became part of the US I believe in 1848 at the end of the Mexican war that also included all the south west to SanDiego.
Interesting stuff in history.
Nam Vet
I'll put on on the ping list, if you'd like.
uglybiker
currently in the West
"'I feel as calm as the summer morn,' Lee told the gathering, 'and I have done nothing intentionally wrong. My conscience is clear before God and man....Not a particle of mercy have I asked of the court, the world, or officials to spare my life. I do not fear death, I shall never go to a worse place that I am now in...I am a true believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ. I do not believe everything that is now being taught and practiced by Brigham Young. I do not care who hears it. It is my last word--it is so. I believe he is leading the people astray, downward to destruction. But I believe in the gospel that was taught in its purity by Joseph Smith...I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner....Having said this, I feel resigned. I ask the Lord, my God, if my labors are done, to receive my spirit.' "Lee shook hands with those around them and resumed his seat on his coffin. He shouted to the firing squad, hidden in three wagons forming a semi-circle around him: 'Center my heart, boys! Don't mangle my body!' When the shots came, he fell back without a cry."
Some Mormon bashers tediously ty to suggest that Brigham Young directed the massacre and that John Lee was simply following orders. Lee's final denunciation of Young puts the lie to that old canard.
Welcome brothers! The Secretary has duly recorded your names to the PING list! ;-)
I hadn't heard that particular part. It makes sense though.
From the story, he didn't follow teachings of Brigham Young in many things. I guess he got where he was going.
we might all do well to put a sharp edge on our tool before this comes out...
Here you go. It's your turn.
The reason why I brought this up was more irony. I was brief in my post. My full thought on the matter was that legend has it that the FreeMasons killed Joseph Smith for breaking certain vows. The legend has Smith found buried upside down. The situation became a major problem for the FM as the nation began to persecute them. There was even a political party that had a platform that was anti-masonic.
Fast forward in time to Mountain Meadows. Legend has it that Brigham Young himself ordered the massacre. According to sources, there were blood oaths that forbade the revelations of truth; therefore, justice was never truly served on behalf of the dead and the orphans. According to what I've read, Lee did not act alone nor could he have in the BY theocrasy. Irony being what it is, the Mormons received a backlash not unlike the Masons of earlier times. The Mormon empire was dismantled. Utah did not become a state until almost 1900.
It's textbook irony.
BTW, I can't get over something I have no vested interest in.
I'm a mason and also, my son in law collects mason jars. Does this make him a mason?
I'm abstaining....I've already gotten myself in trouble several times this week!
It is obvious that you do have a vested interest in spreading scurrilous BS.
These "legends" have been debunked a long time ago.
Get over it.
I'm having a very difficult time restraining myself...
...so here goes. The same Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (that you say condemned him) has reinstated John D. Lee as a member in good standing and has restored all Temple Covenants and Endowments.
It has been determined that he was not necessarily the cause of the massacre, but a scapegoat. The one man that took responsibility for the WHOLE Church...AND that includes YOU it seems.
John D. Lee ...on his tombstone it says....It is far better for one man to die, than a nation dwindle in disbelief. It also says And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free! His headstone was purchased by Mormons and placed upon his grave by Mormons.
Thanks for the ping. I'll have to read this one evening this week.
Hope you are doing well.
Simple question- How does the Book of Mormon square with the final statement in Revelations?
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