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Remembering Two Great Americans
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| 01/19/2006
| Lee R. Shelton IV
Posted on 01/19/2006 11:20:56 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: AnAmericanMother; Squantos; TEXASPROUD; hookman; spatzie
. . . although, as my grandmother remarked, General Forrest was someone that you could not POSSIBLY ask to dinner ( . . . and if you had known my grandmother you'd understand why. She'd kill Forrest, or he'd kill her.) Out Texas way, we used to refer to that as prickly. But such are usually handy folks to have on your side during a scrap, and more often than not, they do a pretty fair job of leading by example, too.
Some are native Texans, others are drawn to Texas later in life, by inclination or circumstance. Forrest came to the Texas 1836 fight for independence from Mexico in his youth, but arrived after most of the affray was concluded. It likely made an impression on his future activities, however.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:20:57 PM PST
by
archy
(The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
To: sheltonmac
What do you mean we wouldn't know about today? Perhaps a damned Yankee wouldn't but here in Texas we're having a state holiday today. Confederate Heroes Day!
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:42:39 PM PST
by
mtbopfuyn
(Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
To: archy
Oh, my grandmother was properly appreciative of Gen'l Forrest's skill and heroism, and had her white-gloved-and-pearled person ever come close to a battlefield, she would have appreciated his assistance and been kindness itself.
But she STILL wouldn't have invited him to dinner!
(I will say in my grandmama's defense that she left her white gloves and pearls behind when she was a Red Cross Gray Lady beginning at the end of WWI and a nurse in WWII.)
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:46:45 PM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
To: sheltonmac
Great Generals who were TRAITORS to the Union and therefore the United States.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:47:41 PM PST
by
Clemenza
(Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
To: Clemenza
The Union was very loosely held together at that point in time, and whether official policy or not, the states wielded the power. It is unfair to call great Southern warriors traitors.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:51:19 PM PST
by
SC33
To: Clemenza
By that definition, the Revoloutionary generals and soldiers would be considered traitors.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:52:14 PM PST
by
SC33
To: sheltonmac
Excellent job! I wish I could have the baby on Saturday - one on Jackson's birthday to match the previous one on Lee's birthday - but my daughters are going to a dance with their father and they'd never forgive me!
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:52:41 PM PST
by
Tax-chick
(“Oh, that alters the case. Whatever General Lee says is all right, I don’t care what it is.”)
To: upchuck
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:53:07 PM PST
by
SC33
To: SC33
Well, that Great Southern Warrior Andrew Jackson threatened to invade South Carolina and hang John Calhoun if the Palmetto State made good on its plans to leave the union 35 years earlier.
In other words, by 1861, it was largely understood what the Union was. The secessionists were tilting at windmills by then. Even Lee and Davis thought secession to be wrong up to the moment (in Lee's case) of Virginia's secession from the union.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:53:50 PM PST
by
Clemenza
(Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
To: Clemenza
Do us a favor, and just don't click on this thread if you feel that way.
This is to honor a great gentlemen who (in hindsight) erred in supporting his State over the Union. Intent is an element of treason (well established by USSC case law) and he had no intent.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:54:00 PM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
To: SC33
Yes. They were traitors to the House Of Hanover. It was a good thing too.
In the case of the Confederates, however, they were traitors to the Union, aka the United States.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:54:54 PM PST
by
Clemenza
(Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
To: AnAmericanMother
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:55:36 PM PST
by
Clemenza
(Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
To: Clemenza
I understand what you are saying, but it is hard to back that far in time and make judgments. It was a completely different world, and they did what they thought they had to. I can respect that, and taht being said, I can also respect the resolve of Lincoln and the Union to fight.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:56:12 PM PST
by
SC33
To: Clemenza
Fine, then don't call him a traitor.
And I wouldn't take Andy Jackson's word on anything. A stone cold brave man and a bonny fighter somewhat in the mold of Forrest, but a completely irresponsible occupant of the White House. And not fit to shine R.E.L.'s shoes.
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posted on
01/19/2006 12:59:05 PM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
To: SC33; AnAmericanMother
No. I do not believe that Lee, Jackson, Davis, Benjamin, and the other senior officials and generals of the Confederacy in their hearts or minds believed they were committing treason. Lee and Jackson both saw themselves as defending the interests of the state of Virginia first and foremost.
It was what it was. The Union was victorious and we were better for it.
The only positive that would have come if Lincoln had let the south go (as many New Englanders wanted anyway) is that Cuba would have likely been annexed by the Confederacy. Therefore, when, by the 1870s and 1880s, when the Confederates would rejoin the union (due to high inflation caused by the printing of fiat money, and the lack of a coherent national economic policy in general, to say nothing of the need for industry), Cuba would have been a part of the United States.
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posted on
01/19/2006 1:03:45 PM PST
by
Clemenza
(Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
To: AnAmericanMother
my great Uncle rode with Forrest .
Although captured at Selma , he survived the war
and went back home to old Miss and recommenced to farmin.
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posted on
01/19/2006 1:08:27 PM PST
by
injin
To: Clemenza
And look how the tables have turned. Many of us, in the South, midwest, mid-atlantic, and west, would gladly give New England away.
(part sarcasm)
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posted on
01/19/2006 1:08:38 PM PST
by
SC33
To: Leatherneck_MT
Amen brother! The days of Americans being born with "the bark on" are long past. I truly pity the kids of tomorrow.
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posted on
01/19/2006 1:12:32 PM PST
by
Colt .45
(Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
To: sheltonmac
And a little later, on the 8th of February, we have the birthday of another great general of the Civil War.
To: Colonel Kangaroo
GREATEST General of the Civil War, IMHO!
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posted on
01/19/2006 1:45:24 PM PST
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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