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To: x5452
It's not Russians who are making the laws limiting Crimea's freedom and stripping it of it's autonomity.

Crimean lack of "freedom" is not what the Tatars have a problem with. They are demanding lands (on which they've lived for centuries) from the mainly Russian, Crimean government. But Kyiv can't interfere in this because there are dopes, much like yourself :), who say Crimean freedom is being violated.
Tatars and Ukrainians are allies and I hope that the Tatars would just hang in there and not give up on the Ukrainians.

10 posted on 01/19/2006 11:25:14 AM PST by Mazepa
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To: Mazepa

Crimean Tatars Dissatisfied with Yushchenko Statement

By Gulnara Khasanova, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL)
Tatar-Bashkir Daily Report, 23 May 2005
http://www.rferl.org/reports/tb-daily-report/2005/05/0-230505.asp

Crimean Tatars are expressed disappointment with a recent statement by Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko that their national Mejlis should reject its stand on sovereignty. Yushchenko, meeting with the Mejlis leaders on May 5 in Bakhchisaray asked them to reject the 1991 declaration on the national sovereignty of Crimean Tatars, which he regards as a document that "contradicts the Ukrainian Constitution and causes anxiety among Crimean communities." Many Crimean Tatars believe that they, like Ukrainians, have a right to self-determination. A Crimean Tatar youth organization rejected Yushchenko's statement, saying that Crimean Tatars will never give up their right to statehood. The 1991 declaration states that "Crimea is a national territory of the Crimean Tatar people on which they alone have the right of self-determination."


12 posted on 01/19/2006 11:31:37 AM PST by x5452
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To: Mazepa

Ukrainian nationalists plan to take prisoner Russian marines
Read it in Russian

On January 18, Crimean organizations of the Ukrainian Communist Party and Movement of Bogdan Khmelnitsky Successors staged a picket to defend the Sarych lighthouse from Ukrainian extremist nationalists. As a REGNUM correspondent reports, leader of the Ukrainian Communist Party, MP Leonid Grach said: “We claim that the Ukrainian nationalists stop, they are already on the verge of a disaster. Don’t let them pull us into it.”

On the same day in Yalta, the opposition in Crimean government put its post near Yalta lighthouse. They hanged out Crimean, Russian and Ukrainian flags and slogans: “Fraternity of the two fleets is the peace pledge in Crimea,” “Let us preserve the fraternity of Russian and Ukrainian navy.” Chairman of the opposition Vladimir Kazarin said that “the posts will function till the Russian and Ukrainian governments go to the negotiation table.”

Meanwhile, leader of the Ukrainian National Assembly (UNA) announced in Kiev, that the Ukrainian nationalists called for mobilization of youth “to protect Ukrainian interests in Crimea.” He stressed, the volunteers include persons who fought in Chechnya and Abkhazia. “Don’t force UNA veterans to take prisoners Russian marines in Crimea,” said Natalya Changuli, Number Two in UNA party ticket at the parliamentary elections.

Permanent news address: www.regnum.ru/english/574885.html


13 posted on 01/19/2006 11:34:15 AM PST by x5452
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To: Mazepa

The Loomed conflict
19.01.2006 20:53 | © Messages. Ru
On objects of the Black Sea fleet in Crimea the strengthened mode of protection continues to operate. But not on light of beacons it is now riveted attention of the Russian and Ukrainian parties.

Video data © Aanoe.ru

Information war for beacons in Ukraine has confused all. And here bronetehnika if sea infantrymen on majachnyh posts cost not with automatic devices, and with sapernymi shovels? What special troops from Kiev when made a noise " the Student's brotherhood " has arrived to storm object in structure of one person, from which noise was a little?

Pickets at the Black Sea beacons are replaced one behind another. Sometimes demand to give hydrographic objects under jurisdiction of Kiev. But more often - to leave the Russian fleet alone.

" If our authorities signed the contract, be so kind as, do not dishonour our nation ", - one of piketchits shouts.

The chief of a beacon "Sarych" Alexander Kuharenko to holding a meeting already also does not leave, is tired to speak. It was difficult in the summer when protection did not expose. Remained in private with three tens picketeers.

" I then have played, I have taken a mobile phone, have made ostensibly a call, have told: yes-yes. The platoon of sea infantry leaves? Leaves. Start up will not forget sapernye lopatki. Here so it was necessary to bluff ", - the chief of a beacon recollects "fighting" everyday lives.

From eight beacons Russian chernomortsev one is grasped and that because it is in the center of Yalta without any protection. The others - behind a barbed wire. There without the special miss not that civil, to naval officers to not get.

11 meters - in height, above sea level - 30. Almost everything as was hundred years ago, - a key under ambarnyj the lock, a narrow spiral staircase. Unless a lamp nakalivanija instead of kerosinovoj.

Sarychensky a beacon, that, that the student's brotherhood, - periodically tries to attack a construction which is not amazing in the sizes. Above in a tower three persons yes dvuhkilovattnaja a lamp which light, however, is visible for 15 miles from coast hardly find room.

GPS - the most up-to-date navigating equipment, but without a beacon, as well as in the beginning of XIX century, anywhere. When out of operation there is everything, it remains a unique reference point on the sea.

" The it is more complex means, the, accordingly, a level of their reliability originally falls, - the employee of hydrographic service Igor Kulikovsky explains. - correctly the most exact site can be defined by means of beacons and other coastal reference points ".

Ukraine applies not only for beacons, but also on system of tracking "Ia?n-75" on Chersonese. It is well-known for that else in 80 always the first marked start-up of ballistic missiles on that party of Atlantic. The similar equipment to the Ukrainian colleagues have transferred during the moment of section of fleet. Since speak, it even never included.


14 posted on 01/19/2006 11:42:12 AM PST by x5452
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To: Mazepa
They are demanding lands (on which they've lived for centuries) from the mainly Russian, Crimean government.

I wonder when you'll give lands back to the Poles of Lvov?

17 posted on 01/19/2006 11:52:56 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Mazepa

Protesters attempt to obstruct pastoral visit by Patriarch Filaret
From Ukraine Weekly
Protesters from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarch (UOC-MP) attempted to obstruct the pastoral visit to Crimea on June 23-25 of the head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kyiv Patriarchate (UOC-KP), Patriarch Filaret (Denysenko).

According to Keston News Service (KNS), the patriarch denies that the demonstrations disrupted his program and claims that he fulfilled everything he planned. The Crimean eparchy of the UOC-KP has several parishes but does not have a bishop and is under the direct supervision of Patriarch Filaret.

Officials of the Crimean eparchy of the rival UOC-MP have denied that they organized protests, describing them as spontaneous expressions of ordinary Church members' feelings. However, according to RFE/RL Poland, Belarus and Ukraine Report, Archbishop Lazar of the UOC-MP eparchy in Crimea issued an appeal prior to Patriarch Filaret's visit that people protest his arrival at the airport in Symferopol. Before the patriarch's visit, posters were put up in the UOC-MP's churches in Symferopol and throughout Crimea declaring that Crimea was not a place for the "schismatic." [Patriarch Filaret once belonged to the Russian Orthodox Church and was a metropolitan of the UOC-MP, but was anathematised by the Rusian Orthodox Church and labeled a "schismatic" after he was elected patriarch of the competing UOC-KP-ed.]

According to KNS, protests marked Patriarch Filaret's entire visit, with pickets gathered along his expected route. Many protesters held banners with slogans such as "Filaret - get out of Crimea" and "Anathema to Denysenko."

Hundreds of protesters were out in force at his point of arrival, Symferopol airport, where the police had to move them further away to allow the normal work of the airport to proceed, according to KNS. Patriarch Filaret's vehicle had to leave the airport along a different road. And, according to UOC-MP sources quoted by Interfax, "Patriarch Filaret had to sneak into Sevastopol across fields."

In Sevastopol, where the patriarch had planned to visit Khersones (the site of Kyivan Rus' Grand Prince Volodymyr's baptism), meet the city authorities and bless the students of the Ukrainian Naval Institute, he visited only the Institute of Nuclear Physics.

The Rev. Paisi, secretary of the UOC-MP eparchy in Sevastopol, told KNS on July 14 in an interview in Khersones that he objected to a "pastoral visit" by the leader of a group that he said has "neither a single parish nor a parishioner" in Sevastopol. "As for Khersones," he continued, "it is not quite true that Filaret was not allowed there, or maybe quite untrue. There were simply believers who stood with banners expressing their opinion about Filaret. He probably did not want to see those people and called the director of the reserved zone [Khersones] to say that he was canceling his visit. It is a very conventional notion - 'was not allowed' - he himself did not want to come." Defending the demonstrators' actions, the Rev. Paisi added: "We also are entitled to express our feelings."

According to RFE/RL Poland, Belarus and Ukraine Report, the press service of the UOC-KP denied that Patriarch Filaret's trip to Crimea had been ruined by the UOC-MP. The press service admitted that an attempt to prevent Patriarch Filaret from entering Crimea was made at Symferopol airport, but it said that "the authorities of the Republic of Crimea did everything possible to prevent any confrontation on religious grounds."

The press service listed a number of meetings and religious services held by Patriarch Filaret during his three-day stay in Crimea, underscoring that there were no "conflicts or clashes between believers."

In a telephone interview with KNS on July 4, Patriarch Filaret maintained that the whole program of the visit went well. "I visited Sofiyivka, a village not far from Symferopol, where I consecrated the cross at the location of the construction of a new church, then I had a meeting with the Crimean clergymen. I also visited Sevastopol Nuclear Naval Academy, where I was present at the graduation ceremony, and visited Bakhchesarai, where I had a meeting with Mustafa Jemilev, the chairman of the Crimean Tatar Mejlis, and Mufti of the Crimea Emir Ali Ablayev. On June 25 I served the liturgy in our Symferopol church. I was told that there were pickets in Symferopol airport, but I did not see them personally," he was quoted as saying.

Efforts by KNS to find out from the Metropolitanate of the UOC-MP in Kyiv whether it was aware of the protests instigated by the Crimean eparchy and whether it had approved them failed. In the absence of Metropolitan Volodymyr [Slobodan], the senior hierarch of the UOC-MP, nobody would take the responsibility of commenting on the actions of the Crimean eparchy. The Crimean eparchy failed to respond to KNS requests during the first two weeks of July for comments on the obstruction of Patriarch Filaret's visit.

Asked by KNS whether the eparchy had instigated the rally in Sevastopol, the Rev. Paisi declared: "No, people understand everything themselves." He claimed that Patriarch Filaret had not complained of any "aggressive actions" by believers.

According to KNS, during his meeting with Mr. Jemilev, Patriarch Filaret deplored the actions of the local Orthodox Church in Crimea, such as setting up crosses and religious placards that are found all over the peninsula, complaining that in a multi-confessional society such as Crimea, these types of actions create inter-confessional tension.

One of the issues also discussed during the meeting was the prospect of recognition of the UOC-KP by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew.


24 posted on 01/19/2006 12:12:47 PM PST by x5452
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To: Mazepa; Tailgunner Joe; spanalot; Kozak; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; ...
Tatars and Ukrainians are allies and I hope that the Tatars would just hang in there and not give up on the Ukrainians.

If you could change the past history, would you rather have Turks and Tatars defeat Russia and rule the Ukraine?

52 posted on 01/19/2006 6:45:09 PM PST by A. Pole (Good Muslims emulate the life of prophet Muhammad. Good Buddhists emulate Buddha. To each his own.)
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