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To: Cboldt
there is no '"agent of a foreign power" exception' for warrantless surveillance under FISA.

Yes there is. Section 1804 (plus the other 72 hour emergency provisions elsewhere in the act, but 1804 is the primary section).

1802 provides for warrantless surveillance of a "foreign power" per 1801(a)(1) - (3)

Actually, 1802 provides for surveillance without a court order. 1804 provides for surveillance with a court order. "Court order", not "warrant". There's a significant difference. Look at FISA again and notice that it provides for nothing but warrantless searches. The word "warrant" isn't in there anywhere, other than in some definitions where it says things like "and a warrant would be required for law enforcement purposes". FISA court orders are specifically not warrants. They're fishing permits, which is exactly what the 4th Amendment's Warrant Clause forbids.

70 posted on 01/21/2006 4:14:18 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Sandy
there is no '"agent of a foreign power" exception' for warrantless surveillance under FISA.

Yes there is. Section 1804 (plus the other 72 hour emergency provisions elsewhere in the act, but 1804 is the primary section)

Looking ahead to your comment that "warrant" does not equal "court order," I note that section 1804 describes the requirements for an application for a court order. Section 1804 does not describe the circumstances where a court order is not "required." I put that in quotes to differentiate between FISA "requirements" and Constitutional "requirements."

Actually, 1802 provides for surveillance without a court order. 1804 provides for surveillance with a court order. "Court order", not "warrant". There's a significant difference.

I think the difference is semantic. "Court order" being a generic term and all. Some of the requirements for an application under 1804 are:

Likewise, Title III surveillance (for criminal purposes, as opposed to foreign intelligence purposes of FISA) is conducted under what the statutes refer to as "court orders" too. See 18 USC 2516 and 18 USC 2518.

At any rate, I have no objection, if it suits your fancy, to substitute the term "without a court order" for "warrantless." And, for what it's worth, evidence properly obtained under 18 USC 2510 et seq is within the boundary of 4th amendment protection.

73 posted on 01/21/2006 4:50:48 PM PST by Cboldt
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