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The high cost of losing our religion
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | January 19, 2005 | Julia Baird jbaird@smh.com.au

Posted on 01/19/2006 2:54:19 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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1 posted on 01/19/2006 2:54:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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BTTT


2 posted on 01/19/2006 3:03:16 AM PST by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great read.


3 posted on 01/19/2006 3:03:45 AM PST by exnavy (God bless Amreica)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
nature abhors a vacuum. So what is filling it?

ISLAM!

now doesn't that suck.
4 posted on 01/19/2006 3:06:20 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My sense is that there is a turn around happening that many libs are not seeing or ignoring.

There have to be "canaries in the mineshaft" that we can look at that might indicate if there is truly a shift going on. A couple of things that pop into my head are the $$ generated by Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ" movie. How about the "Chronicles of Narnia" movie. How about sales of the "Catechism of the Catholic Church"?

We've had 2 generations of folks who have gone on "non-catechized" but the newer generation of religion teachers are more faithfull to the truth than in the past and this is resulting in parents questioning beliefs they have held and now think could be wrong.

When Catholic seminary applicants no longer have to pledge they will support women priests as a prerequisite to entrance, things are improving.


5 posted on 01/19/2006 3:08:13 AM PST by Russ7
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"If you started to think about your life as a woman, the first thing you would do is reject Christianity."

If one of these feminist babes had a husband who treated her like a real husband is supposed to treat a wife, according to Biblical teaching, she would think she had died and gone to heaven. OTOH, they probably think the whole idea of heaven is oppressive, so forget all that.

6 posted on 01/19/2006 3:31:19 AM PST by Mrs. P
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

America's founders foresaw all this:

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending
with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice,
ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of
our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution
was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly
inadequate to the government of any other."

-- John Adams (Address to the Military, 11 October 1798)


7 posted on 01/19/2006 3:44:03 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: Mrs. P

I agree with you. This is what happens when you let smug, unknowlegable, know-it-alls create movements through catchy phrases on bar bathroom stalls. The people who read it thought, "Wow, that's really profound!" and they didn't even know what they were slamming. But that's probably why college campuses are the fountain of every goofy and wrongheaded idea that has come down the pike.


8 posted on 01/19/2006 3:57:14 AM PST by stayathomemom
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Nice post.
The author speaks as one outside the church with little understanding of the nature of religion. He would prefer the anti-culturalists of the 60's to have been reformists. But that could not have happened. That is asking the institutions of religion to stop being religious.
There was a self-consciousness in the 60's and 70's among Christians based on their moral commitments. The challenge that religion had become stuffy and status quo was valid. Christians knew it and were embarrassed. Matters spun out of control. Radicals and extremists took over the field and spouted their aantiestablishment tirades. The church was nonplussed.
Today matters are very different. The religious establishment has grown through the moral crisis of the mid 20th century. There is a new depth of understanding of religious life in this new century. Genuine leadership is being taken by religious conservatives in the very areas of human rights that anti-religionists have ruled over for 40 years. The forces of chaos are being pushed back. Christians are no longer self conscious about past moral ambiguities. They have largely been resolved and the church is more prepared than ever to stand in the center of the struggle for moral society.
The pendulum is swinging away from the influence of those who would destroy human dignity in the name of human dignity and toward those icons that stand the test of history as the bulwarks of a strong, healthy society.
9 posted on 01/19/2006 3:59:51 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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........The forces of chaos are being pushed back.......

Good post.

It will take time to put things right (or solidly move toward moral sanity).

Schools and families have suffered terribly from the idea that government should be in charge.

Our country has to celebrate families guided by a strong moral compass.

10 posted on 01/19/2006 4:10:44 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Vaquero
Excellent point.

How many nations of western Europe will be islamic states in 100 years? 2? 10? All?

I predict Europe is headed for a major bloodbath within 40 years between the natives and muslims (along with their self-hating, left-wing Eurotrash allies).

Of course if the muslims prevail the first order of business will be is to behead their former self-hating, left-wing Eurotrash allies.
11 posted on 01/19/2006 4:18:20 AM PST by saneright
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Ping for later.


12 posted on 01/19/2006 4:20:51 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: saneright
How many nations of western Europe will be islamic states in 100 years? 2? 10? All? I predict Europe is headed for a major bloodbath within 40 years between the natives and muslims (along with their self-hating, left-wing Eurotrash allies). Of course if the muslims prevail the first order of business will be is to behead their former self-hating, left-wing Eurotrash allies.

Where do you have your informations from??!

All this "Eurabia" propaganda is BS. It is correct that we Europeans have a problem with young muslims on our continent since they are usually undereducated and unemployed. This is the reason why they get aggressive - just as some minorities in the US (do you remember the Los Angeles riots in 1992?). But there is one thing for sure: They will not take over the power here. I.e. Most Turks in Germany are assimilated, peaceful and decent people. I employ some in my own business and I know what I am talking about. The much more fanatic Islamiacs come usually from northern Africa or Pakistan. Their part in our German populace is nearly zero. That does not mean that we have to ignore the problem but we should get the right dimensions.

Even in France or in the UK where the problems with muslims are much more severe, there is no sign that they would ever have the chance to take over the power. The problem is not religious, it is social. Quite a big part of those young rioters in France are usually that dumb that they left school as illiterates. In fact they do not have the intellectual potential to move anything in politics or economy. Therefore they never gain any power. They can torch some cars but they can not turn France into a muslim caliphathe.

You Americans seem have the same problem we have in Europe: Not every proposition in the media is the truth. Therefore you should be careful in believing everything.

Greetings from Lake Constance Germany.

Andreas

13 posted on 01/19/2006 5:38:22 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Don't call the US when you need rescuing in the future. We will practice the European religion of non-intervention. Europe is on its own.


14 posted on 01/19/2006 5:44:19 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

We will not have any reason to ask.


15 posted on 01/19/2006 5:45:38 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Vaquero
nature abhors a vacuum. So what is filling it? ISLAM!

Exactly! Militant secularism, feminism, diversity celebrations etc are paving way for the radical Islam.

16 posted on 01/19/2006 6:15:09 AM PST by A. Pole ("If you cannot stop a man buying a gun, the next best bet is to make him your friend,not your enemy")
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To: kittymyrib
Don't call the US when you need rescuing in the future. We will practice the European religion of non-intervention.

Spending limited resources on military adventures abroad will not help if the home is crumbling and the doors are widely open.

17 posted on 01/19/2006 6:17:21 AM PST by A. Pole ("If you cannot stop a man buying a gun, the next best bet is to make him your friend,not your enemy")
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Where do you have your informations from??!

( History and Demographics 101.)

The radical unassimilated Moslems are making babies, are you? How many children do you have? How many children do your non-Moslem friends and neighbors have? Do you see anything at all that can turn this around? Will your Turkish friends fight and die for your country, or are they just going to go back home when things get rough?

18 posted on 01/19/2006 6:22:05 AM PST by isaiah55version11_0 (Code Monkey for His Glory)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Even in France or in the UK where the problems with muslims are much more severe, there is no sign that they would ever have the chance to take over the power.

When they become the majority, they will take power. Like in Lebanon. How many children do you have?

19 posted on 01/19/2006 6:32:05 AM PST by A. Pole ("If you cannot stop a man buying a gun, the next best bet is to make him your friend,not your enemy")
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To: isaiah55version11_0
Germany is a country with a huge immigration just like the US were. In the meantime we have formerly Turkish people in all different jobs and they are doing good. Their home is Germany, they are my German compatriots and they will stand in for their country (most of them are already born on German soil) just like your compatriots will stand in for their country too. I know exactly what I am talking about since I live here.

BTW - Immigration into Germany is a wide field. I.e. we have many immigrants from Poland, Russia, Kasachstan and many other places. Quite a big part of them are former Germans who lived in those countries. Did you know that more jewish people immigrate to Germany in the meantime than to Israel?

I am happy about every baby that is born in my country (and elsewhere). No matter who its parents are. It is obvious that the negative birth-rate in Germany makes it nessecary that we have immigration from the outside. The problem will be to attract only those who are a benefit for our country and society.

Just a question: Is Arnold Schwarzenegger a bad American because he is not born in California?

20 posted on 01/19/2006 7:14:59 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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