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To: pollyannaish
I don't really want to know anything about peoples sex lives in public.

Except you learn about it every day when women and men say they're expecting a child, for example. Or that they're getting married. Or when a husband sends his wife flowers at work. Or a wife stops by for lunch with her husband. Or a friend at work tells you he's moving in with his girlfriend and another says she just kicked some jerk boyfriend to the curb. Or when you neighbors are playing with their kids or your son expresses interest in a girl at school. Unless you've cut yourself off from all outside contact you can't encounter these reminders of various folk's practicing heterosexuality in your own life.

In light of this it's very difficult for me to embrace the notion homosexuals are "in our face" when seeking humane treatment on an individual level.

135 posted on 01/18/2006 2:13:47 PM PST by newzjunkey (In 2006: Halt W's illegals' amnesty. Get GOP elected statewide in CA.)
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To: newzjunkey
Maybe I should be more specific.

I work with, am related to, are friends with, have neighbors and probably teach, gay people. Men and women. They send each other flowers, or talk about going on trips or having parties or whatever. I have NO problem with that. Fine. They are living openly in homosexual relationships. There are two sets of gay couples in our extended family. I love all four of them. We have fun during family outings, and they are around my children. No pda, no problem.

Now, if those people asked me what I thought of homosexual relationships I would tell them straight out that as a Christian, I believe practicing homosexuality is sinful according to the Bible. In fact, to be honest, they probably know that with out asking. That doesn't mean I love them less, or are going to constantly preach at them about it. It's an understanding. They know what I believe, I respect their choices. End of subject.

What I am talking about specifically is the activism. The accusations that if you are not interested in watching a movie or tv show which prominently features gay people, you are somehow homophobic. That if you are against gay marriage, you are homophobic. If you don't want your children to grow up with the message that gay relationships are exactly the same as straight ones, you are homophobic.

I just get sick of the whole in your face, "I define myself only by my sexual behavior first and foremost" approach that the activist/Hollywood types take. It's as if my approval of what they are doing is more important to them than their own satisfaction/acceptance of themselves. That irritates me. It begins to make me feel threatened and pushed. It's aggressive.

The other day, I overheard a couple (both women) in a restaurant laughing about the night before having been at a bar taunting a straight woman by pinching her on the chest and telling her that she really liked it when she got irritated at them. They thought it was hysterical and branded her as "homophobic."

Frankly, I was really angry. She had every right, as much right as she would have with a man, to tell them to get away from her. It was predatory. It was activist and it was flat out wrong.

So that is what I mean about not really wanting to know anything about people's sex lives. And frankly, it goes for straight people as well.

Sorry for the length. But conservatives constantly get branded as seeing everything as black and white, that they don't understand nuance. In this case, I believe the conservative position is appropriately, and carefully nuanced. The democrats position is like a hammer to one's temple. You're either a homophobe, or you're not.
154 posted on 01/18/2006 4:47:15 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: newzjunkey
Unless you've cut yourself off from all outside contact you can't encounter these reminders of various folk's practicing heterosexuality in your own life.

Your argument is moral relatively based -premised upon the supposition that if something exists it is just as legitimate as anything else that exists and 'fairness' rather than just discrimination should be the rule. There are many things that exist that we should not embrace -you may just disagree with the majority that sets the cultural norm as to what those things are for yourself...

167 posted on 01/18/2006 6:03:07 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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