[churchillbuff]

Yeah really, these "true conservatives" such as bob barr joining with al agore and moveon.org and singing Kumbya over the evil Bush is the ticket(eyes rolling)."""

You're indulging in what logic professors call "ad hominem" argument. Instead of addressing the issue - the danger of putting unchecked power in the hands of any one branch of government - you're diverting the debate by focusing on the individuals the "hominem". Won't work. If Barr were complaining about Hillary snooping without judicial permission, I bet you wouldn't "roll your eyes" and say it's "Barr joingin with algore." But we're giving Hillary that power if we say that the current administration should have that power. I'm a conservative because I believe in constitutional restraints, no matter which party is in power. The other philosophy is just a form of Marxism - "no restraints on government as long as my guys are in power."

[goodnesswins]

Name ONE CITIZEN who's been subjected to an unconstitutional search.............just curious.

[Dane]

You're indulging in what logic professors call "ad hominem" argument. Instead of addressing the issue - the danger of putting unchecked power in the hands of any one branch of government - you're diverting the debate by focusing on the individuals the "hominem".

Gee, I guess your "logic" says that bob barr and other "true conservatives" joining hands with moveon.org and al gore means nothing.

I deal in realities, obviously you don't.

[conserv13]

I'm a conservative because I believe in constitutional restraints, no matter which party is in power.

Well put, I agree 100%

[penowa]

If Barr were complaining about Hillary snooping without judicial permission...

But Barr won't be complaining when or if it happens anymore than the NY Times will be upset about past or future Clinton spying on their enemies, i.e., conservatives, right wingers, political enemies as defined by the Clintons, meaning any Republican, because Barr will not be drawing a paycheck anymore if he does. It's real simple even if many of you are unable to grasp the facts - the Clintons were doing this before the Patriot Act, before Bush was elected, and they will do it again if given the chance and to hell with the constitution or any law passed or not passed by congress because NONE OF IT APPLIES TO DEMOCRATS or in those immortal words of Al Gore, "There is no controlling legal authority."

[RightbrainBrother]

Churchillbuff:
Bless you for making me feel like I'm not the only conservative who still thinks the constitution is worth preserving. Unchecked power is unchecked power. There are going to be lots of "crises" in the future, and if we let every president who says "I'm doing it for "national security" have his way, then we might as well not have a constitution.
I'll tell you what, I've been in the gun law wars long enough to know when to recognize a slippery slope, and this one is the slipperiest of all.