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A Bridge That Has Nowhere Left to Go (NY's Tappan Zee Bridge)
NY Times ^ | January 17, 2006 | PATRICK McGEEHAN

Posted on 01/17/2006 8:15:41 PM PST by neverdem

The Tappan Zee Bridge, the most critical transportation link across the Hudson River north of New York City, is not even half as old as the Brooklyn Bridge, but its warranty has already expired.

Started on the cheap during the Korean War, the Tappan Zee was deliberately built to last just 50 years. It passed that milestone last month, just days after transportation planners began gathering public advice about how to fix or replace it.

But the decaying, overburdened span's anniversary was more bitter than sweet. Little love has been lost between the Tappan Zee and the tens of thousands of commuters who depend on it. They complain about the poor condition of its roadway and the backups caused by every breakdown and flat tire.

Even before it was built, the bridge's own designers said it would be one of the "ugliest" in the region. Half a century later, the Tappan Zee has not aged gracefully. There are cracks in its concrete columns, its superstructure is rusting away and its deck is nearly worn through.

The New York State Thruway Authority, which owns the 3.1-mile-long bridge carrying the Thruway over the Hudson, has said that the deck, some structural steel, the concrete walkway and electrical systems have "deteriorated significantly." The authority plans to spend more than $100 million next year just to patch the bridge's holes and replace some of its corroded steel, a process sure to make travel even slower for commuters.

Catching daily glimpses of the long cracks in the bridge's superstructure frightens Brett Ruskin, who drives from his home in Monsey across the Tappan Zee to Tarrytown, where he catches a Metro-North train to Grand Central Terminal. "My biggest concern is not so much the traffic, because the big problem with the Tappan Zee Bridge is it's..."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bridge; bridges; building; commuting; construction; rehabilitation; restoration; tappanzee; tappanzeebridge; tunnels; tz; tzb
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To: durasell
I lived there for more than 55yrs. Most of it under one flight path or another to LAG. Also a block from an El. WV offers very friendly people, beautiful scenery, great fishing and hunting and a lot more bang for my retirement buck. RE and personal property taxes are a joke. Less than half a month's rent. My truck cost more than half what I paid for my house, six out buildings and three acres.
If you enjoy it, more power to ya, but I'd had my fill of Fun City.
61 posted on 01/17/2006 9:47:51 PM PST by Roccus
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To: conservative in nyc

Ya got me! I forgot the Henry Hudson.


62 posted on 01/17/2006 9:50:16 PM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Seriously -- I may fall out of love with the city at some point. And I'm not ruling out that I'll move away to someplace quiet one day. But it will always be home. You get your money's worth out of life in NYC.


63 posted on 01/17/2006 9:51:17 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

I don't know about getting your money's worth. You do, however, get a run for your money.
}:^)

When I do go back, I notice a change in me. As I come across NJ on I78, my fingers start to tighten on the wheel. Not far from the city, I start driving with two feet and when I can see the skyline, that empty spot still makes me angry.
I'm also amazed at how close everything is. You can get very used to having room very quickly.


64 posted on 01/17/2006 10:01:54 PM PST by Roccus
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To: neverdem
It must have been a guy at a bridge toll station wearing a badge, is all I can say. BTW, sorry for the adhomimem. At any rate, as near as I can recall, it was during a trip south along the Hudson, on the NYC side. A crossed a number of bridges in that direction, and may have confused the tolls between them. I probably paid $50 to travel between the Tappan Zee and NJ Garden State PKWY. I could swear one was$10. It could have been $9. I don't know how you folks survive out there.
65 posted on 01/17/2006 10:02:15 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie because he didn't bake one.)
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To: neverdem

After being told that a bridge connecting Alaska's biggest city to the fastest growing area of the state is a "bridge to nowhere," I'm amused to throw back East some of dumb comments made about our own bridge. (I don't agree with any of these comments - it's just sarcastic fun to apply the arguments to the Hudson River.)

1. A deteriorating bridge is your own damn fault. Move away from upstate New York is you need a job or home "across the river."
2. New Yorkers should pay for it. Don't waste my money on your projects.
3. The money is better spent helping people in New Orleans.
4. Nyack, New York, is nowhere. I've been there.
5. The politicians from New York are just moneygrubbing scoundrels.
6. Don't they make a ton of money in New York? Why should we have to help them?
7. It's not my job to support your need for economic development.

Sarcasm off.

Now my REAL opinion. If the government was actually operating as it was supposed to - in a limited manner, with specific, enumerated duties - we would have enough money to build and maintain roads, bridges, and other projects that support our economy. In fact, as someone who's driven much of the interstate system from coast to coast, a lot of those roads are pretty well made. Road building is specifically mentioned in the Constitution for the simple reason that good roads mean efficient commerce. Unfortunately, our government has also decided to spend our tax money on... well, you name it, there's a program, and when there's a program, there's a jealous little constituent group attached to it. I wish somewhere someone would actually express sympathy for the idea of limited government. Maybe the next time a people opt for the idea of a republic a few thousand years from now.


66 posted on 01/17/2006 10:02:50 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: scrabblehack
What would the family's cut be if we would be savin all dis money. Sounds like a dumb idea to me; hey Fredo don't ever take sides against da family again; ever, you here.
67 posted on 01/17/2006 10:05:19 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: conservative in nyc

You could be right. See my response to neverdem at post#66.


68 posted on 01/17/2006 10:05:28 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Roccus

I want the last thought in my head before I die to be: "Damn, that was fun!"

And yeah, I still get angry at that empty space. Coming out of a subway downtown, I still catch myself looking for the towers to get my orientation.


69 posted on 01/17/2006 10:05:29 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Make that post #65.


70 posted on 01/17/2006 10:06:18 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie because he didn't bake one.)
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To: redpoll
I don't think the Knik Arm Bridge is a bridge to nowhere. I realize that Anchorage needs room to grow - it's pretty much hemmed in by mountains, Cook Inlet and Elmendorf AFB.

The Ketchikan-Gravina Island bridge probably doesn't make economic sense, though.
71 posted on 01/17/2006 10:16:03 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: redpoll

I express sympathy for the idea of limited government.

It needs sympathy, especially with the abuse it suffers at the hands of NYC's citizens.


72 posted on 01/17/2006 10:43:38 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if ya don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

As part of the recent privatization program in NYC I'm prepared to offer you a bridge at a very reasonable price...


73 posted on 01/17/2006 10:49:30 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

"As part of the recent privatization program in NYC I'm prepared to offer you a bridge at a very reasonable price..."

As long as it's not rent-controlled. Nobody can make a profit on those places. And it's a helluva time running out troll tenants...


74 posted on 01/17/2006 10:58:19 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if ya don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: LibertarianInExile

True Fact: There are somewhat large rooms in the base of the Manhattan side of the Brooklyn Bridge. These were originally rented by stores for storage of wine and other products that came off the ships. Later, the space was rented to artists as studios. Now it's just storage for the city.


75 posted on 01/17/2006 11:01:50 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: eXe

Gawd, does this bring back memories. My Dad drove us across that bridge when we went from our home in NJ to visit my Uncle in CN. Hate to date myself but that was like the late 50's/early 60's. Even back then, I remember that stretch of road (and the Merritt Parkway beyond) for tar stips that put you to sleep (buh-doom...buh-doom...buh-doom). Wasn't there some kinda "castle" up on the bluffs on the east side of the bridge, too?

What really jumps out at me here is today's cost of a replacement bridge. Yeah, I'm a software engineer (building weapons) and not a civil engineer (building targets), but does it strike anyone else as odd that the original bridge cost $550 million in TODAY's dollars, but a replacement would be $14.5 billion (almost 25x as much)? Even if the new bridge is built "better" (is 100 years too little?) and carries more traffic (say, twice as wide?), it seems a bit steep.

How much of that cost is buying real estate for new bridge access, and paying for labor unions' "progress" over 50 years?


76 posted on 01/17/2006 11:10:50 PM PST by niteowl (I'm not lost, just misunderoriented.)
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To: neverdem

An elderly friend of mine who died a few years ago won a full university scholarship (when he was in high school) by winning an essay contest. The subject for the essays was: "Should bridges be built across the Hudson River?".


77 posted on 01/17/2006 11:18:33 PM PST by wideminded
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To: neverdem

bttt


78 posted on 01/17/2006 11:22:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: niteowl
I am another 1950's kid who was driven across the TZ Bridge starting right after they built it -- I also saw it under construction. The usual way crucial and expensive infrastructure repairs like this are performed is that nothing is done until the structure starts to fall down!

It will certainly be rebuilt regardless of costs because of one matter which hasn't been mentioned yet. Rockland County, west of the bridge, is the closest place in NY state where public employees in blue collar jobs can afford to raise a family. For that reason the county is often called 'Copland'.

If the bridge is unusable commuters will have a 30 mile out of the way trip north to the beautiful 2 lane Bear Mountain Bridge, or drive the overcrowded southbound routes to the jam-packed George Washington Bridge. The effect of this is that most policemen in the Bronx and much of Manhattan won't be able to get to work.

Just what we need, NYC with no cops!

79 posted on 01/17/2006 11:38:38 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: neverdem

That bridge swayed bigtime last time we crossed it some years ago. I had no idea it was that rickety but I guess a lot of suspension bridges have this frightening feature. We used to love to cross it as kids, or the GW bridge. Ah...the good old days!


80 posted on 01/18/2006 12:09:49 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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