[Sonny M]

both parties realize they are big huge screwups and shouldn't ever have children.

You got that part right>

I've seen to many people have kids for the sake of having kids (or to get welfare checks) and then treat their children like garbage or crap and abuse them.

If your not capable of loving a child and raising them properly, then your also not worthy of having a child and shouldn't have one.

[kaylar]

I've seen too many people have kids for the sake of having kids (or to get welfare checks) and then treat their children like garbage or crap and abuse them

You and me both. The things I could tell you...Let's just say, working at a big city hospital, you see things you'd never believe. :-(