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SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW
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Posted on 01/17/2006 7:07:26 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

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To: Almondjoy
Actually it's the people that off themselves that are going to hell fast if God deems it just to do so.

Yep...they can join Samson in the fires.

741 posted on 01/17/2006 3:05:51 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: EternalVigilance

We've already covered this: not one person will have their right to life infringed in any way by the state or any other actor by this decision. This decision takes power FROM the government and gives it TO the individual.

Are you being willfully obtuse about this, or do you just have no other argument?


742 posted on 01/17/2006 3:06:14 PM PST by Dr. Nobel Dynamite
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To: Gondring
I'd say that anyone who is against individual rights is not a conservative...

Anyone who isn't prolife is not a conservative.

...even if you speak in tongues!

Your anti-Christian bias was already noted earlier.

743 posted on 01/17/2006 3:06:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Almondjoy
Being we can legislate either way.. which is why it should be left up to the states.

What's wrong with letting people just running their own lives without the state interfering?

745 posted on 01/17/2006 3:09:09 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
You're the one who is trying to legislate restrictions on how a person lives his own life!

You are one of the most disingenuous people I've ever seen post here.

I am not 'trying to legislate restrictions on how a person lives his own life'. That is clear to any honest observer of this debate. I am standing against those who would commit murder and/or make murder acceptable under law in the US of A. Period.

746 posted on 01/17/2006 3:10:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Iconoclast2

"What the Supreme Court has just ruled is that the Federal government's authority is limited, just as our Christian Founding Fathers intended. The problem lies with the State of Oregon, not the United States, which has no business telling doctors what to do. Where in the Constitution do you see the "regulate doctors" clause?"

I would agree with a ruling like that, but that is not this ruling. The majority RETAINS federal jurisdiction, going nowhere to the extent you claim in overruling the AGs interpretation of the federal law. Read Scalia's dissent. He feels, as I do, that the majority was simply wishy-washing their way around a ban on assisted suicide but not ballsy enough to actually follow their own logic regarding legalization--so they ensured they could always back off in the event some state legalized morphine for addicts.

Gutless leftists. Absolutely GUTLESS. Won't legalize, won't support states' rights, unless it's for their pet causes. Of course, we have plenty of conservatives on this thread who feel the same way, witness their bitching about the idea that a state might make its own decision on euthanasia when they have federalized their thinking on euthanasia, while they're all for overturning a SCOTUS ruling that federalized liberal thinking on abortion.


747 posted on 01/17/2006 3:10:37 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if ya don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: Palladin

Me too!
Ops4 God Bless America!


748 posted on 01/17/2006 3:11:12 PM PST by OPS4 (worth repeating)
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To: Gondring
What's wrong with letting people just running their own lives without the state interfering?

Because some people might do something they disagree with.

Which seems to be the crux of the argument against assisted suicide.

749 posted on 01/17/2006 3:12:02 PM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Your anti-Christian bias was already noted earlier.

Misread, you mean. I'm not anti-Christian...I'm anti-tyrant... i.e., against those who would--rather Saddam-like--force people to live in agony rather than allow them to escape.

750 posted on 01/17/2006 3:12:32 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: bink12
"Thou shalt not kill",

The literal interpretation of the Hebrew words in that commandment is 'thou shall not commit murder'.

This is made obvious by the fact that other portions of scripture make it clear that the state, as God's emissary, has the power of the sword, ie the right to put those to death who commit capital offenses.

751 posted on 01/17/2006 3:13:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Gondring
This is not about euthanasia; it's about suicide! Please, no more strawman arguments.

Yes this is all about euthanasia -the straw man argument is that those being euthnized will die anyway in 6 months or less so why not put them down now if they ask.

There is a big difference between permitting death and procuring death. Additionally, 'assisted' suicide is just a nice way to frame the argument and avoid the reality of which the correct terminology is the "killing" of another (euthansia) -you argue it is not euthanaia because of the reason it is done -- LOL a flawed argument. Suicide is suicide regardless the WHY -such is the same with euthansia... Same applies to abortion that some might wish to call 'choice'...

752 posted on 01/17/2006 3:15:27 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Gondring
Misread, you mean. I'm not anti-Christian...I'm anti-tyrant... i.e., against those who would--rather Saddam-like--force people to live in agony rather than allow them to escape.

*Sigh* You just don't get it, do you?

You are being treated like chattel for the sake of your soul!

/sarc

753 posted on 01/17/2006 3:15:38 PM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Gondring
Misread, you mean. I'm not anti-Christian...I'm anti-tyrant... i.e., against those who would--rather Saddam-like--force people to live in agony rather than allow them to escape.

So, you would equate those who fight for the protection of innocent human life with one who fed innocents into shredders.

You really are the most disingenuous poster I've ever seen here.

754 posted on 01/17/2006 3:15:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: LibertarianInExile

Excellent and dead on.


756 posted on 01/17/2006 3:15:56 PM PST by Kylie_04
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To: LibertarianInExile

In that sense, I agree with you/Scalia. But I believe that the Oregon law is too restrictive, too.


757 posted on 01/17/2006 3:16:28 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: EternalVigilance

And Jesus had the right to be crucified, even though He foresaw it and could have avoided it.


758 posted on 01/17/2006 3:17:32 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: conservative physics
"This ruling will set the stage for the euthanizing of the baby boomer's once they become to big of a burden on their families."

Many Baby Boomers think that going out through euthanizia is the closest they can come to going out with a smile on their face. This is the ultimate control over their lives that they can have. Little do they know that this will lead up to others making the decision for them. They will go like lambs to the slaughter. No joy here.

759 posted on 01/17/2006 3:18:18 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: bink12
So to continue the Hilter references, was it ok that Hitler committed murder since he was duly elected member of the state?

Was he God's emissary?

Uhmmm....no.

Why do you twist my words?

Hitler's murder of innocents under the color of law was in itself lawless and wrong.

He was Satan's 'emissary', as are those who have opened the floodgates for the culture of death in America.

760 posted on 01/17/2006 3:19:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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