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US Air Force Rates F-22A Raptor "Mission Capable"
Spacewar ^

Posted on 01/17/2006 5:06:21 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME

Kirtland Air Force Base NM (SPX) Jan 16, 2006 The Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center recently completed the F-22A Raptor Follow-on Operational Test and Evaluation and has rated the Air Force's newest fighter as mission capable in the air-to-ground role.

This "Mission Capable" rating is part of AFOTEC's newly developed system now being applied to programs under test at AFOTEC. The new rating methodology starts with traditional effectiveness and suitability measures as a foundation for determining potential operational impacts on mission accomplishment in the expected operational environment.

(Excerpt) Read more at spacewar.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: aviation; f22araptor; moneypit; rathole; tooexpensive; usaf
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To: The Shootist

They are really no replacement for the A-10. The apache and super cobra helos are the only thing that comes close in that role.


21 posted on 01/17/2006 9:10:23 AM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

The plan is to have a couple hundred Raptors (I think 180+ are funded) and a couple thousand JSFs (F-35s).


22 posted on 01/17/2006 11:34:51 AM PST by Knuckledragger
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To: Tom Bombadil

I have seen the F-22 flying around Texas down here and they are so damn quiet it is scary.


23 posted on 01/17/2006 12:40:44 PM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS!)
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To: The Shootist
why do we need a stealth(y) air superiority fighter designed to fight the Soviets China in Europe the Pacific theater?

There, fixed it for you.

24 posted on 01/17/2006 12:45:31 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: TalonDJ

There was a picture of this on the Lockheed-Martin website, of the F-22 dropping the bunker buster. Maybe they photoshopped it, or the Air Force?


25 posted on 01/17/2006 12:48:35 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: The Shootist
why do we need a stealth(y) air superiority fighter designed to fight the Soviets in Europe?

The most wasteful thing in the world is having the "second best" military. Innovation in aviation did not die with the Soviet Union.
26 posted on 01/17/2006 12:50:50 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: The Shootist

Russian, Chinese and Iranian type threats are more dangerous today than then vs. the Soviet Union. The antiair and anti missile system S300 & 400 as well as flanker fleets in these places were superior to our current inventory of aircrafts, in pure a/c vs. a/c comparison. The Indians beat us up in exercises using assymetrics.

This airplane is way overdue. Meanwhile the US Navy is still behind in terms of technology vs. the French Rafale (which is being exported tentatively to places like Saudi Arabia) and would have trouble (were it not for a superior radar and aegis system) against Indian Navy Flankers. So we still have holes to plug, which we hope the JSF will do, though it's a single engine inferior in thrust to weight to the Rafale and Indian Flankers.


27 posted on 01/17/2006 12:51:20 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Mr Rogers
Good news - we'll have air-air supremacy.

For maybe ten years - until Mach 10 remote-controlled UAV drones start coming on line at a million dollars a piece, and any good video game player can take out a whole squadron of F-22's in three minutes from behind a computer screen in Beijing.

The USAF is moving in the same direction already.

28 posted on 01/17/2006 12:51:32 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr Rogers

Doesn't matter. Once you have air supremacy you can do your bombing with C-130s or even C-5As and C-17s!


29 posted on 01/17/2006 12:52:29 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
"Designed to shorten wars and save lives" ...

Feh.

It's designed to kill enemies and break their toys, and do it with virtual impunity.

(Of course, that does have the effect of shortening wars etc.)

30 posted on 01/17/2006 12:52:57 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TommyDale

Sure it was not a JDAM?


31 posted on 01/17/2006 1:00:47 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: MARKUSPRIME
F-22....EMCON Combat Cycling

EMCON about a 1/4 way down this link

Excerpt:
EMCON 1 is the stealthiest, and EMCON 5 is the least stealthy, allowing the most use of radar and radio. In its auto mode the F-22 would normally travel in the stealthiest mode, EMCON 1.
After a potential enemy is spotted, the aircraft systems will gradually increase the EMCON condition as the opponent gets closer, in order to provide more data for targeting, or in the worst case, jamming. It increases EMCON in non regular steps based on the evaluated range of the enemies' detection systems and weapons.

32 posted on 01/17/2006 1:08:12 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Wonder how much (DNC contributions) Hillary will get selling sneaking the F-22 plans to the Chinese.. through the State Department..
33 posted on 01/17/2006 1:09:18 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

It will take a lot longer than 10 years.


34 posted on 01/17/2006 2:42:23 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
It will take a lot longer than 10 years.

And they are going to cost a whole lot more than a million dollars apiece. And the data links had better be hardened. And directed energy detection will have to be perfected. Mach 10 UAV? High and hot eh?

35 posted on 01/17/2006 3:12:46 PM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: Tom Bombadil
Not only that, but the path of data flow from these devices would have to be via Satellite or it would have to be line of site local which makes the control center target #1.

Satellite borne control means the whole thing depends on our deciding to leave those assets in place while we are fighting against these things.. (unlikely) so, unless we let them use this technology, "super drones", its pretty much useless in the long run. Thats the meaning of air supremacy.

36 posted on 01/17/2006 10:35:08 PM PST by dalight
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