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To: rlmorel

Americans obviously don't OWN Latin America, and being friends means you can't always play the THREAT card of some kind of an invasion, that is geared to protect the interests of what they perceive as an Imperialistic Dominion based upon greed. Maybe the USA should try some good neighbor policies of trying to understand the diversity and accept national sovereignty when the people rejoice. That is democracy. The people of Chile voted, and they elected a candidate. I doubt that the ole Russian empire had much to do with it, compared to the millions of people in Chile who work exceedingly long hours, for little pay, and never experience what they understand to be social justice.


5 posted on 01/15/2006 7:24:55 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

Socialism is just as bad as communism. It doesn't matter what it's named under wheather it's Welfare or The New Deal


6 posted on 01/15/2006 7:28:54 PM PST by Barte45 (Conservative Christian @ Heart)
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To: rovenstinez

Sure, the old Soviet nomenklatura had nothing to do with it. The Socialist International has taken another tack since the collapse of the Eastern Bloc. They have rejected vanguardism and have embraced a Trotskyist "united front" approach.

What is social justice? To be left alone by the state. To have the state equally protect the life and property rights of all. More state intervention than that in private lives is a reduction in social justice. So, how can a socialist ever increase social justice except by accident?


10 posted on 01/15/2006 7:46:45 PM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: rovenstinez

Friends dont let friends descend into Brutal Communist Dictatorships.


13 posted on 01/16/2006 1:21:49 AM PST by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: rovenstinez

Hmmm. What did I write to get this kind of response? I did not invalidate the legitimacy of their election in my comments, I simply stated they are being led down a disasterous path, and it isn't as if there were no carcasses of previous socialist countires out there that should serve as a warning.

So, you must have misunderstood my point, which would account for your abrasive response.

You wrote: "...compared to the millions of people in Chile who work exceedingly long hours, for little pay, and never experience what they understand to be social justice."

By this comment, I presume you make the assertion that the Chileans perceive socialism as a cure for social injustice? Got a flash for you fella. If they think socialism is going to be a cure for long hours, little pay and social injustice, they are going to be disappointed.

One of the interesting things about socialism is that it is an unachievable utopia that just sounds "oh so good". Most people who went to college and took sociology are completely sucked in by logic and tidiness of it (myself included) A planned economy is great! Everything is planned out down to the last nail, in the last board, on the last house, including the gas it took to take the truck there and the food needed to feed the worker.

This all sounds SO good that every country that tries it says "We are going to do it RIGHT! ALL the other countries that tried it and failed did it wrong."

Maybe we should accept "Diversity" (in your words)? I am curious-what do you really mean by the word "diversity" and why and how did it find its way into your discussion?

Please explain yourself, I really am curious. You have the best interest of the Chileans in mind, I am sure. And you have very strong feelings on the subject. I can tell where your sympathies lie, that is plain, so I really would like to hear your views on this subject. Explain how socialism is going to lead to anything other than long hours, little pay and social injustice? Oh, I am sure the Chileans will all be suffused with the glow of knowing that the weakest amonsgt them are treated as well and as fairly as the strongest (I got through that without a snicker) but will it reduce their working hours, increase their pay or improve "social justice"?


14 posted on 01/16/2006 3:12:13 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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