Alia, forget these people...they are true California Conservatives...and I admire them for that...however, their tunnel vision prohibits them from viewing the reality of the situation, as you stated in your post. There's no debating with them...believe me, I know. Even thought history and the facts are on our side, they just won't give up. In a way I don't blame them...if you're going to choose to live in the most liberal State in the Union, I guess you need to believe there's hope. However, we know different.
I hereby dub thee... The mother of all negativists!!! (as he taps each of her shoulders with his waspish stinger!)
Alas, I posted straight out of Economics, and they refuse to actually discuss the point. Instead, some are doing the usual of switching subjects, etc. and while pretending to "represent" CA voters. Yes, there's been a problem in FR for quite some time. And only the more obvious get banned, censored, and kicked out.
Clever is, as clever does...
Bless you for hanging in there, Hildy, FairOpinion; A CA Guy; Doodlelady; and others.
These alleged "anti-arnold" types are actually creating, IMHO, more support for Arnold.
You are at least providing more of a clearer "glimpse" for "lurkers' and casual readers, than if you weren't here laying it all out. That what I call "Canvassing the CyberNeighborhood"! :) We all agree McClintock would be dynomite for CA. I haven't seen any of you post otherwise. We also agree that given current dynamics, why that didn't happen, and why that might not happen again.
I think we also might be of a mind, that some people proclaiming themselves the most "realest" of CA conservatives, who sounded educated, might not be providing the best education, in or about CA. And their legion is MANY.
Their manner of debating tactics and issues fits a pattern of those belonging to a cell. Each has a role and a part. And that's part of the reason this matter of "CA conservativsm" continues to be a hell in FR.
The term "reasonable people" involves both parties. There's no reason this matter shouldn't be discussed intelligently nor civilly.
It's worth re-reading this thread and others, and if one is truly interested, a pattern will indeed begin to emerge as to the "intent" and roles. Been studying it since last year, periodically. It's even predictable.
Rhode Island is the most liberal state in the Union. They also elect a CONSERVATIVE Republican Governor. All these ridiculous pro-Ah-nold arguments as the "only one electable" is just that, baloney.
What is it you people have against Conservatives being elected to office in California ?