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So I guess when I hung up on the RNC for the 16th time, they finally got it?
1 posted on 01/13/2006 7:23:07 AM PST by Rockitz
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"It's pretty clear where the American public is on this issue -- they want the border fixed.

It should have been clear long ago.

It's too damned bad we have to beat them over the head with a Louisville Slugger to get their attention.

As a political party, they're not very smart, but at present they're all we've got.

2 posted on 01/13/2006 7:27:09 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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It's about damn time.

Hopefully this will actually have some teeth, and isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to Hildebeast's posturing.


3 posted on 01/13/2006 7:29:29 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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Well Amen and Hallelujah BUMP!!


4 posted on 01/13/2006 7:34:58 AM PST by conservativecorner
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About damn time bump!!!!!!!


5 posted on 01/13/2006 7:38:23 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: gubamyster

Can you ping your list? This should probably be breaking news in border states.


6 posted on 01/13/2006 7:40:46 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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ping


7 posted on 01/13/2006 7:41:06 AM PST by Andy'smom
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The repubs had better realize that the old shell game where they approve a tough bill in the house then defeat it in the senate isn't going to work on this issue. If they try that approach the RNC had better tighten their belt several notches because contributions will disappear.


9 posted on 01/13/2006 7:41:54 AM PST by Mogollon
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So I guess when I hung up on the RNC for the 16th time, they finally got it?


this is only one problem... sure fix immigration... but what about smaller government the republicans try to run on? where is the initiative to reduce the welfare state? I want to see the tax code eliminated.. fair tax inacted, put the power of money back to the people who work hard for it.. abolish welfare.. dependency creates more dependencies.
11 posted on 01/13/2006 7:51:11 AM PST by Element187
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"So I guess when I hung up on the RNC for the 16th time, they finally got it?"

You and 50 million more like you!

12 posted on 01/13/2006 7:57:30 AM PST by Redbob
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Some "genius" (possibly Karl Rove) has told W that illegal immigration is a win-win situation for the GOP- First, a steady supply of hard-working cheap labor for business owners who tend to be big donors, and second a peace offering to the illegals with the hope that they will vote for GOP candidates when they do become citizens.

I don't hire illegals, but I do pay a helluva lot of taxes to keep them in health care, public services, infrastructure, and schools. I just can't afford it anymore. Lettuce for a buck and a half at the supermarket is just not worth it.

This is just another form of socialist wealth redsitribution from the middle class to illegal immigrants and business owners who hire them.


13 posted on 01/13/2006 8:18:56 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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Ping!


14 posted on 01/13/2006 8:24:41 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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Ditto!!! Me too!! The RNC can kiss my a$$ for any more donations until the majority in power at the White House, The House and the Senate start doing their jobs they swore themselves to.

So, I reckon they got to vote on as to whether it is necessary to enforce federal and state laws, or is it they need to vote on how they feel about the law, or is it they need to vote on they have to turn a blind eye to corporate America for promoting 'slave labor', or is it they have to vote on another excuse to fund giveaway programs and tax dollars to illegal aliens that have committed a felony simply by entering illegally?

PLEASE FORGIVE THIS SOMEWHAT LENGTHY POST, but I wanted to provide some details of

WHAT NOT IS BEING ENFORCED ACCORDING TO LAW!! So, spread the word WE ARE GETTING SCREWED!! Here are some of the statutes The President, Vic-President, the Congress, the federal Judiciary, INS, ICE, all states that are bound to enforce federal regulation, etc., are sworn to uphold while employed as an agent of the United States government.:

§ 1182. Inadmissible aliens

Inadmissible aliens

1) Health-related grounds

(A) In general

Any alien—

(i) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to have a communicable disease of public health significance, which shall include infection with the etiologic agent for acquired immune deficiency syndrome,

(ii) except as provided in subparagraph

(C), who seeks admission as an immigrant, or who seeks adjustment of status to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence, and who has failed to present documentation of having received vaccination against vaccine-preventable diseases, which shall include at least the following diseases: mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B, and any other vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices,

(iii) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services in consultation with the Attorney General)—

(I) to have a physical or mental disorder and behavior associated with the disorder that may pose, or has posed, a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others, or

(II) to have had a physical or mental disorder and a history of behavior associated with the disorder, which behavior has posed a threat to the property, safety, or welfare of the alien or others and which behavior is likely to recur or to lead to other harmful behavior, or

(iv) who is determined (in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to be a drug abuser or addict,is inadmissible.

§ 1227. Deportable aliens

Deportable aliens

(a) Classes of deportable aliens

Any alien (including an alien crewman) in and admitted to the United States shall, upon the order of the Attorney General, be removed if the alien is within one or more of the following classes of deportable aliens:

(1) Inadmissible at time of entry or of adjustment of status or violates status

(A) Inadmissible aliens

Any alien who at the time of entry or adjustment of status was within one or more of the classes of aliens inadmissible by the law existing at such time is deportable.

(B) Present in violation of law

Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this chapter or any other law of the United States is deportable.

(C) Violated nonimmigrant status or condition of entry

Generally speaking, anyone physically and legally entering into the U.S. will be treated as a citizen, with all rights guaranteed a citizen. There are some exceptions to this general rule. For example, while entering the United States (and physically in the United States), a foreign national can be detained and expelled. In some cases, detention is for an unlimited amount of time, and some illegal immigrants have been held for years on end at taxpayers expense.

So, for Article II, sections 1 and 2: ".... Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:-"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

(....."and to protect the country from harm, both foreign and domestic.)

Section. 2. The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

and with that:

SUBCHAPTER I—ELIGIBILITY FOR FEDERAL BENEFITS Release date: 2004-02-11 # § 1611. Aliens who are not qualified aliens ineligible for Federal public benefits

# § 1612. Limited eligibility of qualified aliens for certain Federal programs

# § 1613. Five-year limited eligibility of qualified aliens for Federal means-tested public benefit

# § 1614. Notification and information reporting

# § 1615. Requirements relating to provision of benefits based on citizenship, alienage, or immigration status under the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act, the Child Nutrition Act of 1966, and certain other acts.

22. Act of March 3, 1893 (27 Statutes-at-Large 570) Provisions: 1. Added to the reporting requirements regarding alien arrivals to the United States such new information as occupation, marital status, ability to read or write, amount of money in possession, and facts regarding physical and mental health. This information was needed to determine admissibility according to the expanding list of grounds for exclusion.

2. Established boards of special inquiry to decide the admissibility of alien arrivals.

127. Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendments of November 10, 1986 (100 Statutes-at-Large 3537) Provisions:

a. Stipulated that aliens deriving their immigrant status based on a marriage of less than two years are conditional immigrants. To remove conditional status, the alien must apply within 90 days after their second-year anniversary of receiving conditional status.

b. Required alien fiance(e)s of U.S. citizens to have met their citizen petitioner in person within two years of the date the petition was filed.

142. Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of September 30, 1996 (110 Statutes-at-Large 3009)

Provisions:

1. Established measures to control U.S. borders, protect legal workers through worksite enforcement, and remove criminal and other deportable aliens:

1. Increased border personnel, equipment, and technology as well as enforcement personnel at land and air ports of entry;

2. Authorized improvements in barriers along the Southwest border;

3. Increased anti-smuggling authority and penalties for alien smuggling;

4. Increased penalties for illegal entry, passport and visa fraud, and failure to depart;

5. Increased INS investigators for worksite enforcement, alien smuggling, and visa overstayers;

6. Established three voluntary pilot programs to confirm the employment eligibility of workers and reduced the number and types of documents that may be presented to employers for identity and eligibility to work;

7. Broadly reformed exclusion and deportation procedures, including consolidation into a single removal process as well as the institution of expedited removal to speed deportation and alien exclusion through more stringent grounds of admissibility;

8. Increased detention space for criminal and other deportable aliens;

9. Instituted 3- and 10-year bars to admissibility for aliens seeking to reenter after having been unlawfully present in the United States;

10. Barred re-entry of individuals who renounced their U.S. citizenship in order to avoid U.S. tax obligations.

2. Placed added restrictions on benefits for aliens:

1. Provided for a pilot program on limiting issuance of driver's licenses to illegal aliens;

2. Declared aliens not lawfully present ineligible for Social Security benefits;

3. Established procedures for requiring proof of citizenship for Federal public benefits;

4. Established limitations on eligibility for preferential treatment of aliens not lawfully present on the basis of residence for higher education benefits;

5. Provided for verification of immigration status for purposes of Social Security and higher educational assistance;

6. Tightened the requirement for an affidavit of support for sponsored immigrants, making the affidavit a legally binding contract to provide financial support;

7. Provided authority of States and political subdivisions of States to limit assistance to aliens in providing general cash public assistance;

8. Increased maximum criminal penalties for forging or counterfeiting the seal of a Federal department or agency to facilitate benefit fraud by an unlawful alien.

3. Miscellaneous provisions:

1. Recodified existing INS regulations regarding asylum;

2. Provided that the Attorney General's parole authority may be exercised only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public health.

3. Created new limits on the ability of F-1 students to attend public schools without reimbursing those institutions;

4. Established new mandates for educational institutions to collect information on foreign students' status and nationality and provide it to INS;

5. Tightened restrictions regarding foreign physicians' ability to work in the United States;

6. Added new consular processing provisions and revised the visa waiver program.

15 posted on 01/13/2006 8:57:21 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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ping


16 posted on 01/13/2006 10:04:57 AM PST by gubamyster
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Vincente Fox and Dubya will have a good laugh over this during next week's poker game night.


17 posted on 01/13/2006 10:08:43 AM PST by F16Fighter
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"The president has been very clear that he wants to see real and comprehensive immigration reform that includes border security, interior enforcement and a guest-worker program,"

Sorry, NO guest worker program.

Come in at the border check point, do it LEGALLY OR STAY THE HELL HOME!


20 posted on 01/13/2006 10:29:56 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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Ken Mehlman RNC Chairman called me after I raised heck about the weak RINOS and the Invasion of America.

He disappointed me as he took a page out of the Democrat play book by trying to scare me.

He kept trying to convince me that they would lose both houses if I did not contribute to the RNC.

I told him I would only contribute to people who have Americas best interests at heart.

I also told him that they should kick the RINOS and open border people out of their committees.

I also said If President Bush would get tough on the border, he would be the best this century.

The best President of the last century failed at the SCOTUS he appointed and giving amnesty to criminals.
21 posted on 01/13/2006 10:38:08 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the back, or a Fool from any side.”)
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Who says they got it? I believe nothing until those borders are sealed. I've seen encouraging sighns, but nothing they can't renege on.


23 posted on 01/13/2006 11:17:54 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Ahmedi-nijad: Make Your Time.)
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"So I guess when I hung up on the RNC for the 16th time, they finally got it?"

That, plus the refusal to donate any more $$ to the RNC. That really got their attention.

No more money from me until I see all of the tough reforms in place and being implemented. Not another dime until then.

26 posted on 01/13/2006 11:22:42 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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They get much more money from the big donors who need the cheap labor than from the small fry who is angered about not knowing the language in his former home town.

Nothing has changed, this is just a bit of red meat for the base.


28 posted on 01/13/2006 12:09:30 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Nothing in Washington moves fast. Our opinions will always be way ahead of the curve, on the cutting edge.

About the time you start to get horse in the throat from screaming and you have ripped your hair out and just about given up hope, things start to move.


29 posted on 01/13/2006 12:14:45 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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