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States Face National ID 'Nightmare'
newsmax ^ | Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 01/13/2006 4:32:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt

Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

States Face National ID 'Nightmare'

An anti-terrorism law creating a national standard for all driver's licenses by 2008 isn't just upsetting civil libertarians and immigration rights activists.

State motor vehicle officials nationwide who will have to carry out the Real ID Act say its authors grossly underestimated its logistical, technological and financial demands.

In a comprehensive survey obtained by The Associated Press and in follow-up interviews, officials cast doubt on the states' ability to comply with the law on time and fretted that it will be a budget buster.

"It is just flat out impossible and unrealistic to meet the prescriptive provisions of this law by 2008," Betty Serian, a deputy secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation, said in an interview.

Nebraska's motor vehicles director, responding to the survey by the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, said that to comply with Real ID her state "may have to consider extreme measures and possibly a complete reorganization."

And a new record-sharing provision of Real ID was described by an Illinois official as "a nightmare for all states."

"Can we go home now??" the official wrote.

States use a hodgepodge of systems and standards in granting driver's licenses and identification cards. In some places, a high school yearbook may be enough to prove identity.

A major goal of Real ID - which was motivated by the Sept. 11 attacks, whose perpetrators had legitimate driver's licenses - is to unify the disparate licensing rules and make it harder to fraudulently obtain a card.

The law also demands that states link their record-keeping systems to national databases so duplicate applications can be detected, illegal immigrants caught and driving histories shared.

State licenses that fail to meet Real ID's standards will not be able to be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building.

The law, which was attached to a funding measure for the Iraq war last May, has been criticized by civil libertarians who contend it will create a de facto national ID card and new centralized databases, inhibiting privacy.

State organizations such as the National Governors Association have blasted the law as well. Many states will have to amend laws in order to comply.

Jeff Lungren, a spokesman for Real ID's principal backer, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said there is no chance states might win a delay of the 2008 deadline.

"We gave three years for this process," he said. "Every day that we continue to have security loopholes, we're at greater risk."

The August survey by the motor vehicle administrators' group, which has not been made public, asked licensing officials nationwide for detailed reports on what it will take to meet Real ID's demands.

It was not meant to produce an overall estimate of the cost of complying with Real ID. But detailed estimates produced by a few states indicate the price will blow past a February 2005 analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, which estimated Congress would need to spend $100 million reimbursing states.

Pennsylvania alone estimated a hit of up to $85 million. Washington state projected at least $46 million annually in the first several years.

Separately, a December report to Virginia's governor pegged the potential price tag for that state as high as $169 million, with $63 million annually in successive years. Of the initial cost, $33 million would be just to redesign computing systems.

It remains unclear how much funding will come from the federal government and how much the states will shoulder by raising fees on driver's licenses.

"If you begin to look at the full ramifications of this, we are talking about billions and billions of dollars. Congress simply passed an unfunded mandate," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the technology and liberty project at the American Civil Liberties Union. "Every motorist in America is going to pay the price of this, of the Congress' failure to do a serious exploration of the cost, the complexity, of the difficulty."

The survey respondents and officials interviewed by the AP noted that many concerns might be resolved as the Department of Homeland Security clarifies its expectations for the law - such as whether existing licenses can be grandfathered in - before it takes effect May 11, 2008.

As of now, however, it appears little has changed since the survey described a multitude of hurdles.

Some examples:



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 01/13/2006 4:32:09 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Man50D; billorites; HiJinx

Ugh, this is getting sticky. This Real ID thing is all common sense stuff, I'm surprised that so many states have such crappy infrastructure for things like this. I guess they're too busy spraying mooney all over the projects, or paying off their corrupt buddies, to deal with things like 20 year old computer systems.

There are lots of different angles here too. Governmental abuse of power, immigration control, national security, budgeting, etc.

And to read the ACLU guy's complaint about 'unfunded mandates' rings a bit hollow. Like anybody that's involved with that slimy organization cares about the health of the US economy!


2 posted on 01/13/2006 4:38:54 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt
For states like Minnesota that are still using a mainframe, this requirement will be a catalyst to move them into the 21st Century.
If we could go to the moon, this requirement is a slam dunk.
3 posted on 01/13/2006 4:41:32 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: ovrtaxt

Looks like you are going to be ovrtaxt some more!


4 posted on 01/13/2006 4:42:32 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: basil

I don't know about that-I live in a real state, not some leftist hellhole.

We're funded by sales tax. If I want a tax cut, I spend less.


5 posted on 01/13/2006 4:45:46 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: basil

Of course, that's assuming the Federal government isn't going to pick the tab up for this...


6 posted on 01/13/2006 4:47:01 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Notice the examples- Minnesota, RI (COBOL-lol), I wonder what other states can't comply, and why?


7 posted on 01/13/2006 4:48:33 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Still, its nice to see Conservatives supporting unfunded Federal mandates.


8 posted on 01/13/2006 4:48:47 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
George -- many states use mainframes. SMART states keep them ( and the rest of their IT infrastructure ) reasonably up to date. Same for their Databases and Database software.

If businesses ran their IT like govt DOES, then businesses would be out of business.

FWIW, here in GA, Gwinnett County, with a nearly $2Bn annual budget, has an up-to-date mostly-mainframe-based IT dept that is really quite good. It happens to also be a very Republican part of suburban Atlanta.

I wonder if one could do an IT assessment of red and blue states AND red and blue counties and ascertain that predominantly blue states and counties are behind (negligent?) in their IT capabilities? hmmmmmm. Democrats and liberals always crow about serving people. In today's world it takes good IT to do that. I just wonder ...
9 posted on 01/13/2006 4:50:47 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Wolfie

I don't like it either!

But when you have state governments that open security holes for our enemies,(terrorists and illegals) and have no interest in doing their part to protect the other 49, what's the alternative?

Like I said, this is a sticky one, I have to admit.


10 posted on 01/13/2006 4:54:44 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt
... I'm surprised that so many states have such crappy infrastructure for things like this.

That's because states are much more interested in collecting revenue than in creating a realistic identification process.

11 posted on 01/13/2006 4:54:53 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (iLiberals and MSM manipulate the news.)
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To: ovrtaxt
The law also demands that states link their record-keeping systems to national databases so duplicate applications can be detected, illegal immigrants caught and driving histories shared.

Illegals? Hahaha, that's a good one. Now catching up to people who are overcharged for insurance because they live in a rural area that issues traffic tickets for revenue generation, that's important stuff. I'm all for that.

12 posted on 01/13/2006 4:55:10 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: ovrtaxt

"Many states don't make drivers prove they are legally in the country, but the law will now demand such documentation."

Obviously, they can comply with some of the new requirements immediately. Others they can phase in.


13 posted on 01/13/2006 4:55:18 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

Agreed. Some of the complaints in the article ring false.


14 posted on 01/13/2006 4:56:54 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I consider myself to be a conservative, with a tendency towards libertarianism. In that regard, I believe that all of us should be on an equal footing. That being said, I like the idea of a national type of identification program where we all have to meet the same requirements and where we know the weaknesses of the process. Today, few of us really know how valid a state government identifcation is. As a revenue producing activity, the goal seems to be to provide the ID regardless of the proof of the individual being valid.


15 posted on 01/13/2006 5:00:01 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (iLiberals and MSM manipulate the news.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I've read some other of the other posts. The bellyaching is nothing more than an excuse to raise our taxes at the state levels. The corruption that exists in many state governments is outstanding. As here in NC, Sleezy Easly raided the highway transportation fund to cover the additional costs of added personnel to agencies to make sure illegals have kept getting freebies the regular NC citizens aren't allowed to have; not to mention the already scandal ridden lotto for NC as it is beginning to be put into place.

Therefore, if government leaders cannot anticipate and budget monies to update computer systems for the different agencies, then, they need to be replaced pronto.

Seems to me that accurate identification procedures are never a problem when you file your taxes here....go figure. Also, what is the function of an agency if it cannot verify who a person is when conducting business? Extreme BS from the poliitico cronies.

Manure is manure and the smell always tells us that. How in the hell can our government expect its citizens to be honest with sincere integrity in job performance if the state's politicians and department heads aren't and held accountable?

16 posted on 01/13/2006 5:00:04 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: RSmithOpt

Good points. I have a feeling that this ties into voter fraud somewhere too.


17 posted on 01/13/2006 5:03:39 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I looked for common sense with a telescope. All I could see was the moon of Uranus.)
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To: ovrtaxt
The national ID bill is another un-Constitutional unfunded mandate that is imposed on the states. If the Federal government were restricted to the powers delegated to it under the Constitution, most domestic spending programs would end. Unfortunately, too many of today's self-described conservatives are either 1960s liberals who rejected the social agenda of modern liberalism or "law 'n order" types who would abandon the philosophy of limited government in the name of national security or fighting crime.
18 posted on 01/13/2006 5:08:30 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ovrtaxt
"........this ties into voter fraud somewhere too."

Bingo!!! You get the grand prize.

FYI: I saw a post on a website (something.org)a few years back around 1999 that someone had started collecting about voter registration records with party affiliation vs. this state level employee position. That site wasn't up 6 weeks later. Wanna guess percentage wise how many high level state gov folks were DIMS?? Your first 3 guesses have to be higher than 72%.

19 posted on 01/13/2006 5:10:06 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: ovrtaxt

Most Motor Vehicle Administrations are incompetent bureaucratic black holes to begin with.


20 posted on 01/13/2006 5:12:45 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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