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1 posted on 01/12/2006 7:06:14 PM PST by dennisw
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I have to say I'm disillusioned!


2 posted on 01/12/2006 7:15:30 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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I would say that is true if you consider just the Dravidians. But there are many who are Sakas. No question their origins.


3 posted on 01/12/2006 7:21:32 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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4 posted on 01/12/2006 7:33:00 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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India itself is as much an admixture of genetic types as the people of North and South America who are commonly referred to as "American Indians". There are ethnic types ranging from those who could easily pass for European to those that are definitely of East Asian derivation, and even some of Polynesian origins.

Some migrations are of greater extent, and began much earlier, than common belief has credited them with being.

Probably the great transmitter of culture across the "Indo-European" tribes was more the existence of the Persian Empire than of any actual migration of people from one place to another. Armies travel, not harvesters of grain and herders of animals.


5 posted on 01/12/2006 7:41:19 PM PST by alloysteel (There is no substitute for success. None. Nobody remembers who was in second place.)
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Haitian Creole is derived from Latin, although the Haitians generally have very little Roman ancestry, I would guess. Languages have often been adopted by people whose ancestors spoke different languages (a great many Americans are in that category). It would not be very surprising if the Indo-European languages spread in India without a large influx of new people, if the new people happened to be in control

The word "punch" and Punjab (Panjab) are both derived from the Sanskrit word for "five" (Punjab is a region with five rivers, and punch had five ingredients), which is similar to the Greek word pente meaning "five."

English "five" is also related, but the original p changed to f in the Germanic languages (Greek pater, English "father," Latin piscis, English "fish," Greek polos, English "foal," etc.)

6 posted on 01/12/2006 8:26:55 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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Journey Of Mankind
7 posted on 01/12/2006 8:33:15 PM PST by blam
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In India, there are a number of nationalists who believe that all that is India or Indian, originated from India alone.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vijendra Kashyap is one of them.


8 posted on 01/12/2006 8:35:33 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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The finding disputes a long-held theory that a large invasion of central Asians, traveling through a northwest Indian corridor, shaped the language, culture, and gene pool of many modern Indians within the past 10,000 years.

That theory is bolstered by the presence of Indo-European languages in India, the archaeological record, and historic sources such as the Rig Veda, an early Indian religious text.
FWIW, I don't accept geographical origin ideas proceeding from genetic studies, because single individuals living long ago have a disproportionate influence (through chance, for the most part) on large current populations; also, a lot of things have gone on in the past 10,000 (or 50,000, or 100,000) years which are not written down. It goes without saying that genetic material from that long ago is essentially nonexistent, so all the data collected merely shows current distributions.

In the case of this study, I'd be very cautious in accepting it; there's been a nationalistic push to deny "foreign" origin for the IndoEuropean populations of the Indian subcontinent, and the political need to have just such a conclusion in a genetic study.
9 posted on 01/12/2006 8:52:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this URL -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/pledge)
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All Indians:


12 posted on 01/12/2006 9:15:01 PM PST by BricksAndMortar
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Gad! We outsourced English?


15 posted on 01/12/2006 9:30:27 PM PST by Bender2 (Even dirty old robots need love!)
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18 posted on 01/12/2006 11:09:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this URL -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/pledge)
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Interesting but it makes sense. Language is far more malleable than genetics.

If you look at recent DNA studies of the British population most Brits (including the English) can still trace their genetic heritage to Celtic origins while the English language is mostly a potpourri of German (Anglo-Saxon), Norse, and French, with a few residual traces of Gaelic thrown in.

Just because we'll agree to speak your language doesn't mean we're going to let you diddle our sisters.

23 posted on 01/13/2006 5:40:12 AM PST by katana
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India is truly a mixed society. I believe the first people were Vedda, which I suspect they are related to Ainus of Japan.


31 posted on 01/13/2006 7:38:47 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud bunny hater and killer)
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35 posted on 04/05/2006 11:54:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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