Posted on 01/12/2006 1:41:30 PM PST by VU4G10
And now most Mexicans want to put in a Communist...
As long as there is no severe penalty for trying to enter the US illegally, people will just keep trying until something works
A predator doesn't seem like the right tool for the job. Something smaller and shorter legged (and cheaper) would be better. It would be under the control of local BP agents, not some remote "Surveillance section". Plenty of those sorts available. Some not much larger than a hobby model airplane, but still able to carry IR or Video cameras, with the required downlink.
He's been too busy drawing comics.
Fence? Hell NO! 20 foot high, steel reinforced, 3 ft thick concrete wall with 6 foot deep footings.
I don't mean token fines levied against the giants like Wal-Mart and ConAgra.
I mean shutting down Tyson plants, shutting down my sister's box company in Phoenix, shutting down landscaping companies in LA, shutting down construction companies in Vegas and Atlanta...
If not shutting them down, make the fines so onerous that employers will NOT hire illegals. For instance, for a first offense, fine the employer (who would be forced to do a social security check on a new employee) $1000.00 per illegal caught on their payroll. Give them a break for a first offense. Second offense, fine them $10,000 per illegal. Third offense, the fine would be $100,000 per illegal. Somehow I doubt that any business would be caught more than once.
Mark
I agree, for years the mainstay of the BPs flight operations has been light helicopters. They are versatile, relatively cheep to fly and can get down in the weeds and work traffic.
One of the best things they can do is to put a group down with their high intensity spotlight. The aliens have nowhere to run and try to brush up and hide from the light and it gives the ground agents time to go in and arrest the group.
That 14 million dollars spent on one UAV could have purchased a fleet of 6 to 8 new helicopters and provided much more coverage.
I guess it’s the same at DOD, they are always complaining that they don’t need any more C-130s but congress keeps buying them anyway. Beltway BS.
I guess he didn't know any of the Mexicans who came over to serve in the US armed forces so they could fight Nazis. Some were even pilots and went back to serve in the Mexican Air Force or for Mexican airlines. Many more were line Grunts.
But the Mexican ruling class is another story of course. Talk about a bunch of left wing racist elitists. I think when you look up Elitist, you see a picture of the head of PRI. As far as the Canadians not being our friend. The Canadian liaison officer to the Army unit I support as a contractor seems pretty friendly, as was his predecessor. The predecessor is a crack shot and used to go shooting with the military, civilian and contractor personnel. I wouldn't go generalizing from a few whacked out left wing politicos, nor from the Quebecois.
In general helicopter are expensive compared to comparable payload and endurance fixed wing aircraft. However I was thinking of something unmanned, with some rotary wing assets to carry the quick reaction teams to the site.
I have heard some bad stories about the Dutch Army but the only Dutch officer I ever met was conservative and straight as an arrow. Oddly enough I also met him at a State Park on the Gulf coast although under different circumstances.
That's putting it mildly.
Si, senor...100 years ago.
2009 Border ROE Per President Hitlery:
1.No ammunition shall be issued, except upon confirmed hostile border crossing by armed regular troops of a foreign military force;
2. No member of US military forces may detain, apprehend, arrest, harass, or inter fer with the free movement of any suspected illegal border crosser(s) before notification and arrival of an accredited ACLU attorney to oversee and record such action, and to advise said crosser(s) of their rights;
3. Prior to arrival of such attorney, military personnel will take whatever action is necessary to prevent engagement, consistent with #2 above...
I always enjoy a good point. I have a good friend who served in our Army's Infantry in Vietnam in order to be ABLE to apply for citizenship, which he did after he was discharged. I stood as his sponsor, loved every moment of it. He and his wife are the types I enthusiastically hold up as a standard.
Juan spoke better English and KNEW Am. history better than most college grads, he put many of us to shame. Lordy Juan, would that there were many more of your kind...
I respectfully disagree...we have spent over a TRILLION dollars to 'liberate' the mohammedans in Iraq. We can spend a few billion dollars securing our border.
There are so many sections of the border that are extremely remote and rough terrain that the military could not stop illegal immigration without a fence. It would take too much manpower, and the most they could hope for is to slow it down. It is hard to understand the situation without seeing first hand the problem areas.
Any plan that has a chance of succeeding will have to start with a major barrier/fence. If a proper fence were in place; then the border could be properly protected with a reasonable amount of manpower.
In the area I live this point was essentially proven in October when the Minutemen were here patrolling. When the Minutemen arrived, LE was expecting issues so they added more Border Patrol, put the sheriff's Dept and the State Police on OT and transferred more LE from other locations. With all the LE and the Minutemen, there were many times the normal amount of bodies to find illegals. About two weeks later the military sent in around 300 troops to do training/backup with the Border Patrol. The last two weeks of October there was more manpower than could possibly be maintained long term. Yet illegals still managed to get through. Protecting the border as it is now is pretty much impossible, you would literally need men standing side by side. With a serious barrier in place, I believe it would be possible to stop illegal entry, without one I think any other plan is doomed to fail.
Some laws will have to change. Right now many employers are caught between a rock and a hard spot. Many laws on discrimination and privacy do not allow employers to make sure a person is legal. I talked to a business owner a few days ago about this. He became suspicious that 3 employees were using fake Social Security numbers. He called Social Security to see if he could get them verified and they told him no. He was told he did not have the right to have that information. He let the men go on the suspicion they were illegal, personally he was convinced. The employees filed a suit against him for discrimination and at no point were they required to be verified as legal, he had to give them their jobs back to settle. Other employers have refused to hire on the grounds they thought the applicants were illegal and they were sued for descrimination. Yet if the government chooses to enforce laws already on the books against hiring illegals an employeer can be fined a lot of money for hiring them.
This business owner told me the only way he could really protect himself is to require ALL applicants/employees to pass an extensive background check; at his or their expense. His business cannot possibly afford to carry that burden, and his employees are not paid enough for them to shoulder the burden. If a business singles out certain employees for scrutiny that is discrimination.
Of course some employers seek out illegals and even help them get false documents; so there would have to be a way to punish the guilty employers without punishing the innocent ones too. It really is a tangled web we have woven in this country in regards to illegals over the past 35 or so years.
I totally agree!!! The biggest problem we face in getting the border under control is that people who don't live near the border just can't comprehend the reality of the cost to this country of illegal immigration and the problems with most of the solutions proposed.
Who cares what Mexico thinks about the fence?? Anyone with 1/2 a brain would understand the difference between a country fencing it's population in compared to a country fencing out the citizens of another country.
Yes!! You understand that any real solution will have to have more than one step. But step one has to be a serious fence/barrier.
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