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Alito would give U.S. high court Catholic majority
Reuters ^ | Wed Jan 11, 2006 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 01/11/2006 5:16:48 PM PST by tbird5

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Roman Catholics would be the majority on the U.S. Supreme Court for the first time if Samuel Alito is confirmed -- a historically remarkable prospect in a country where "papists" were once taught in state schools that their faith was a lie.

But so far the development has passed for little more than a curiosity, reflecting how politics trumps religion when it comes to appointments to America's highest court, experts say.

Alito and the Catholics already on the court -- John Roberts, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas -- appear to share many conservative views held by evangelical Protestants, a group historically suspicious of Rome and its hierarchical church.

The prospect of a Catholic court majority "is a credit to the evolution of America," said Julie Fenster, co-author of "Parish Priest," a book recently published by William Morrow about the Catholic priest who founded the Knights of Columbus.

"I don't think Catholics here realise how much their antecedents had to take on the chin in terms of job discrimination, public jeering -- in some towns it was hard to walk down the street without being shouted at," she said.

"And in the (public) schools you had to accept that your children would be taught from textbooks that said Catholicism was wrong," Fenster said.

CONSTITUTION OR POPE?

Historically, many Americans questioned whether Roman Catholics could uphold the U.S. constitution, or whether they were obligated to follow the dictates of the Pope while in office. There has been only one Roman Catholic U.S. president, John F. Kennedy, elected in 1960.

But evangelical Protestants seem so far to be embracing Alito, unlike President George W. Bush's last court nominee, Harriet Miers.

"Look at how the evangelical right responded to one of its own when it came to Harriet Miers," said Brent Walker, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.

Bush nominated Miers, a fellow conservative Christian, last year but she withdrew under fierce attack from conservatives who questioned her credentials and commitment to conservative ideology.

"It just shows you how it's mostly about ideology and not about religion," added Walker, whose Washington-based coalition of 14 Baptist bodies works for religious liberty causes.

"I think it's good that not a lot is being made of it. Generally religion is not a very good predictor of how one will decide cases," he added, noting that former justice William Brennan, also a Catholic, was a liberal.

Of the remaining justices, Stephen Breyer and Ruth Ginsburg are Jewish, David Souter is Episcopalian and John Paul Stevens is Protestant.

"During much of 20th Century there was a Catholic seat and a Jewish seat (on the court). Anything but one Catholic would have created a lot of consternation among Protestants and evangelicals," said Martin Flaherty, a Fordham Law School professor who once clerked for former Supreme Court Justice Byron White.

REPRESENT THE COUNTRY

Alito and the others appear to have far more things in common than differences, he said.

"On some level the court should be very roughly representative of the country. If you have not just a majority but (one) from a certain wing of a denomination you wonder if the court does represent the country," he added.

About one in four Americans say they are Roman Catholic, making the church by far the largest single U.S. denomination. There is no monolithic political philosophy marking the faith, despite the church's strong official opposition to abortion, a position widely shared by conservative evangelical Christians.

About 52 percent of Americans say they are Protestants, although mainline churches are losing members as the evangelical movement grows. Less than 2 percent of the U.S. population is Jewish.

One anomaly is that 20 percent of U.S. Catholics are Hispanic, yet none of the five who would be on the court is, noted Tom Smith, director of the General Social Survey at the National Opinion Research Centre in Chicago.

Religion "has pretty much become passe" as an issue, he suggested, except to the degree that it becomes a hot potato in nearly every U.S. presidential campaign when candidates define their stand on abortion.

Opposition to Alito has come from groups worried that the court would eliminate the right to abortion. Legal Momentum, a woman's legal rights group, said it feared putting Alito on the court would be "adversarial to a woman's right to choose."


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1 posted on 01/11/2006 5:16:51 PM PST by tbird5
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To: tbird5

Imagine that, Rueters carring water for the enemy within


2 posted on 01/11/2006 5:18:15 PM PST by DAC22
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To: tbird5

This has much more to do with conservatives than it does with being Roman Catholic (and I am a Roman Catholic). We have a huge liberal faction in the Church that we have to "fight".


3 posted on 01/11/2006 5:20:24 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: tbird5

Well, as a Mormon, I'm shocked!! (not really, I can see beyond these things and see the person)


4 posted on 01/11/2006 5:21:00 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


5 posted on 01/11/2006 5:23:28 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: tbird5

Miers was not forced to withdraw because she is an Evangelical. She was forced to withdraw because it turned out she was not what she was represented to be.

The leftists would love to split the working alliance between conservative Catholics and Evangelicals, but they'll have to do better than that.


6 posted on 01/11/2006 5:24:24 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: tbird5
Alito would give U.S. high court Catholic majority

I'm giving my all important ok on that Reuters and I'm not Catholic.

7 posted on 01/11/2006 5:26:55 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: tbird5

It will also give a majority to the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and Bildebergers.

Just kidding.


8 posted on 01/11/2006 5:26:57 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: tbird5

Irrelevant.


9 posted on 01/11/2006 5:28:07 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: tbird5
Well, this non-denominational Calvinist has no problem with this. None at all.


This is a ch__ch. What's missing?

10 posted on 01/11/2006 5:29:49 PM PST by rdb3 (What it is is what it was.)
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To: tbird5

The new Pope and now the Supreme Court! ROTFLMAO!!! We Catholics are taking over!!! All the hysteria is hysterical! LOL!


11 posted on 01/11/2006 5:36:46 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: tbird5
"And in the (public) schools you had to accept that your children would be taught from textbooks that said Catholicism was wrong," Fenster said.

Plus la change, plus la meme chose.

12 posted on 01/11/2006 5:37:25 PM PST by thoughtomator (Illegal immigrants come to America for a better life - yours!)
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To: tbird5
Kennedy is Catholic and liberal as they come. They are really really digging deep on this one.
13 posted on 01/11/2006 5:39:40 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: sageb1

I'll tell you. I couldn't think of any potential Catholic President who I would have traded for Reagan (non denominational Christian) or GWB (Methodist). When it comes to governing America, conservatism and leadership are the important things. Of course, I wouldn't want either of them as Pope. ;o)


14 posted on 01/11/2006 5:40:29 PM PST by pissant
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To: tbird5
That piece is the purest of propaganda ~ the truth is that Miers was attacked by National Review Online. This is part of the outfit of which William Rusher was once a part, and he's the guy who pushed to get Alito nominated.

So, it's not a problem where we really have Evangelicals or Conservatives opposing Miers ~ rather, it was a Catholic led group that demanded Alito.

Funny to see Kennedy and Schumer focusing in on the Rusher/Alito axis in these hearings.

15 posted on 01/11/2006 5:40:37 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: dubyaismypresident; xsmommy

Interesting- a Catholic majority.


16 posted on 01/11/2006 5:42:42 PM PST by tioga (Speaking out from the frozen tundra of the hildebeast.)
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To: muawiyah

"rather, it was a Catholic led group that demanded Alito"

Good, about time. Most protestants deep done really don't like catholics.


17 posted on 01/11/2006 5:45:29 PM PST by tbird5
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To: tbird5
Alito and the Catholics already on the court -- John Roberts, Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas -- appear to share many conservative views held by evangelical Protestants, a group historically suspicious of Rome and its hierarchical church.

Subtract Kennedy.

But evangelical Protestants seem so far to be embracing Alito, unlike President George W. Bush's last court nominee, Harriet Miers.

"Look at how the evangelical right responded to one of its own when it came to Harriet Miers," said Brent Walker, executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.

Bush nominated Miers, a fellow conservative Christian, last year but she withdrew under fierce attack from conservatives who questioned her credentials and commitment to conservative ideology.

"It just shows you how it's mostly about ideology and not about religion," added Walker, whose Washington-based coalition of 14 Baptist bodies works for religious liberty causes.

Never fails, they'll always take the opportunity to re-write history. During the period of time refered to everyone wrote articles about how Christian conservatives were the ones backing her, it was everyone else on the Conservative scale against. Now they are stating Miers was forced out because of Christian conservatives. In truth, neither accounts were correct. The Christian conservative movement was split between Dobson on one side (who at the end flipped into opposition), those opposed, and those like Perkins that were opposed but reserving judgement which is about the same thing. The rest of the conservative movement was pretty solidly against her, with a significant minority wanting to give Faith because G.W.B. chose her. Overall, it was one of the rare times most of the movement was in sync that she should go by the end and it was NOT based solely on ideology but grave doubts about her qualifications, judicial philosophy and abilities for the job.

No doubts about Alito's experience, qualifications, intellectual firepower as well people have a fair confidence his Judicial philosophy is not one that embraces the concept of a living Constitution. This is why he has the backing of conservatives, including evangelicals. being a Catholic or an evangelical means not a wit to me.

Religion "has pretty much become passe" as an issue, he suggested, except to the degree that it becomes a hot potato in nearly every U.S. presidential campaign when candidates define their stand on abortion.

Religion passe? Not quite. The difference is that a person identifying themselves as a member of a certain church means nothing unless you are pledging yourself to a satanic Cult. Ted Kennedy states he is a Catholic. Ted Kennedy is a social Catholic. It's meant to enhance his resume, appeal to constituents, it's more of a family tradition then spiritual devotion. Whereas the Pope is a Catholic in spiritual Faith, as it should be. It's no different for any body of faith. protestant, evangelical..everyone has their own social worshipers that congregate to socialize or advance themselves rather then reserve the time for worship.

Instead of getting caught up on classifications of Faith, people have gotten wise to the knowledge someone defining themselves as a Christian doesn't mean they are pro-Life, believe in keeping the Pledge intact, etc... To take it a step further, someone that is a "conservative" Christian for want of a better term at the moment, could believe in a living Constitution. There is no certainty a conservative Christian or catholic automatically will treat the Constitution in the manner of a Thomas. neither is there certainty a Liberal necessarily will support a living Constitution, though most tend to. So, using religion to devine how a Justice will approach the Constitution is out because it isn't a fail safe barometer. Doesn't mean religion is passe, just that it has no ability to answer the broader question of whether someone will make law. It's meaningless in this debate except in defining characters of the nominees.

18 posted on 01/11/2006 5:46:40 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: conservativecorner; tbird5

Kennedy gets really wound up about practicing Catholics...as do alot of those Congressional types.

And on a personal note, Ted Kennedy is a disgusting and beneath contempt.


19 posted on 01/11/2006 5:48:12 PM PST by BurrOh (Kerry, honored member of War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City)
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To: tbird5
Is there a breakdown on what each justice practices instead of their background.
20 posted on 01/11/2006 5:48:19 PM PST by avile
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