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NSA Whistleblower Alleges Illegal Spying
ABC News ^ | January 10, 2006 | BRIAN ROSS

Posted on 01/10/2006 4:22:59 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

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To: torchthemummy

Then the twelve apostles of treason need to be brought to justice.


61 posted on 01/10/2006 5:06:10 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
I like media meme the Left has already put out. Fatboy's a "whistleblower," not a traitorous, liberal scumbag.

That's cute. But fatboy's going to jail.

62 posted on 01/10/2006 5:07:32 PM PST by Reactionary (The Liberal Social Order is a Hedonistic Idiocy)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Here is what our founding fathers had to say about secrets and intelligence gathering and the power of the Presidency.

In 1776, Benjamin Franklin and his four colleagues on the Committee of Secret Correspondence unanimously concluded that they could not tell the Continental Congress about covert assistance being provided by France to the American Revolution, because "we find by fatal experience that Congress consists of too many members to keep secrets."

When the Constitution was being ratified, John Jay--America's most experienced diplomat and George Washington's first choice to be secretary of state--wrote in Federalist No. 64 that there would be cases in which "the most useful intelligence" may be obtained if foreign sources could be "relieved from apprehensions of discovery," and noted there were many "who would rely on the secrecy of the president, but who would not confide in that of the Senate." He then praised the new Constitution for so distributing foreign-affairs powers that the president would be able "to manage the business of intelligence in such manner as prudence may suggest."

In 1790, when the first session of the First Congress appropriated money for foreign intercourse, the statute expressly required that the president "account specifically for all such expenditures of the said money as in his judgment may be made public, and also for the amount of such expenditures as he may think it advisable not to specify." They made no demand that President Washington share intelligence secrets with them.

And in 1818, when a dispute arose over a reported diplomatic mission to South America, the legendary Henry Clay told his House colleagues that if the mission had been provided for from the president's contingent fund, it would not be "a proper subject for inquiry" by Congress.

For nearly 200 years it was understood by all three branches that intelligence collection--especially in wartime--was an exclusive presidential prerogative vested in the president by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton, John Marshall and many others recognized that the grant of "executive power" to the president included control over intelligence gathering.

It is enough to observe that the Constitution is the highest law of the land, and when Congress attempts to usurp powers granted to the president, its members betray their oath of office. In certain cases, such as the War Powers Resolution and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, it might well have crossed that line.

--FISA vs. the Constitution, by Robert F. Turner (2005)

63 posted on 01/10/2006 5:10:59 PM PST by Boot Hill ("...and Joshua went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?")
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To: A CA Guy
The Democrats claimed that the memos were illegally obtained and the leftist press played right along with them. The Republican aide that revealed the memos, got fired, though.

Here's a recap of the Rockefeller memo hullabaloo.

alk show host Sean Hannity has exposed a Democrat conspiracy to undermine Bush's war effort by leaking classified information.

An incriminating memo suggests that Democratic members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were planning to release classified data at a strategically-advantageous moment during next year's presidential campaign. The leak would be aimed at undermining Americans' will to fight by accusing the Bush White House of invading Iraq without just cause.

Rockefeller Connection

Democratic Senator John D. ("Jay") Rockefeller of West Virginia -- co-chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee -- appears to have played a key role in the plot. An outline of the strategy appears on a memo written by one of Senator Rockefeller's staffers. Rockefeller has long been a vocal critic of Bush's War on Terror.

An unidentified source leaked the Rockefeller memo to talk show host Sean Hannity, who read it on-air to his national radio audience on Tuesday. Go here for a full transcript of the memo.

Rockefeller admits that he instructed his staff to write the memo, but says he never approved it for distribution .

The Senate Intelligence Committee is currently investigating the Bush Administration's case for war on Iraq. According to Republican Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas -- who is chairman of the Intelligence Committee -- the Rockefeller memo outlines a plan to, "discredit the committee's work and undermine its conclusions ... before those conclusions are even reached."

The memo urges Democrat committee members to make a show of cooperating with their Republican colleagues up to a certain point, then "pull the trigger" on the investigation during the 2004 presidential campaign, publicly accusing the White House of "dubious" and "dishonest" motives for going to war and launching their own separate investigation.

"Perhaps Treasonous"

Democrat Senator Zell Miller of Georgia issued a statement calling the Rockefeller memo "perhaps treasonous."

"If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin. The ones responsible - be they staff or elected or both - should be dealt with quickly and severely sending a lesson to all that this kind of action will not be tolerated, ignored or excused," said Miller.

A Washington Times editorial calls the plan a flagrant "abuse of power" and a betrayal of "custodial responsibility over classified information" on the part of the U.S. Congress. The incident "warns U.S. intelligence agencies that there are security risks in providing information to Congress," says the Washington Times.

Republicans Befuddled, Impotent

Incredibly, Senator Pat Roberts has failed to call for an investigation. Instead he urges his Democrat colleagues to simply "disavow" their scheme, like gentlemen, and get on with the "bipartisan" work of the Senate Intelligence committee!

"[T]he biggest thing we ought to do is build a bridge back to a bipartisan compromise so we can go ahead with our work," Roberts told an incredulous Sean Hannity on Tuesday night. "...We are asking our colleagues across the aisle to completely disavow this report or this attack plan. Somehow build a bridge back to some kind of bipartisan coalition...

"[I]t's my responsibility to try to work with my colleagues across the aisle to make the Intelligence Committee what it's supposed to be... I think we've got to get past this draft memo and get on to the business, again, of doing our oversight responsibility, which we have to do in the interest of our national security."

Sounds like Senator Roberts has been gelded. Shades of File-gate. Does Hillary have some sort of dirt on Roberts from his FBI background file?

64 posted on 01/10/2006 5:12:45 PM PST by Eva
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To: Reactionary; All

Link to a .pdf of a letter sent to Tice by RENEE SEYMOUR
Director, NSA Special Access Programs Central Office of the SAP

Very succinct!

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Nightline/NSAletter.pdf


65 posted on 01/10/2006 5:13:49 PM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World and the media is not on our side.)
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To: maica

Copied and pasted from the .pdf:



UNCLASSIFIED
NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY
FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755-6000
Serial: LEG/OO3/06
9 January 2006
Dear Mr. Tice:
(U) It has come to my attention that you intend to meet soon with the staff of the
House Pennanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) about what you perceive to
be probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while you were an intelligence
officer with the National Security Agency and the Defense Intelligence Agency.
(U) Let me state unequivocallythat you have everyright to petition Congress for
a redress of grievances. This right is guaranteedto you by the First Amendmentof the
United States Constitution. The NationalSecurityAgencyhas no intent to inftinge your
rights.
(U) I want to congratulate you that, in the exercise of your rights. you are acting
responsibly to protect sensitive intelligence information. In an 18 December 2005 letter
purported to be from you to the HPSCI and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
(SSCI) posted on an open website. you asked them to provide assurances that the staffers
or members who will receive your information have the proper security clearances and
that the appropriate cleared facilities will be available for these discussions. You state
that the information you wish to provide pertains to sensitive intelligence programs and
operations known as Special Access Programs. or SAPs.
(U) Seeking such assurances is consistent with the Non-Disclosure Agreement
that you signed .with NSA. However. I need to inform you that additional steps are
required. The SAPs to which you refer are controlled by the Department of Defense
(DoD) and I understand that neither the staff nor the members of the HPSCI or SSCI are
cleared to receive the information covered by the SAPs. Moreover. I understand you
have not notified either DoD or NSA. appropriately cleared individuals. of the improper
behavior you allege.
UNCLASSIFIED
--~ - - -- ~ - -
(U) Therefore, it is the position of the National Security Agency that, before you
provide classified infonnation to the HPSCI or SSCI, you provide a statement to the DoD
Inspector General or the NSA Inspector General of your complaint or infonnation and
notice of your intent to contact the intelligence committees directly and, further, that you
obtain and follow direction fi'omthe Secretary of Defense, through the DoD Inspector
General, or the Director of the NSA, through the NSA Inspector General, on how to
contact the intelligence ...[did not copy correctly]
.RENEE SEYMOUR
Director, NSA Special Access Programs Central Office
Copy Furnished:
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence


66 posted on 01/10/2006 5:16:45 PM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World and the media is not on our side.)
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To: new yorker 77

Geez! It's Fred flinstone!


67 posted on 01/10/2006 5:17:20 PM PST by Solamente
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To: eyespysomething
But the poster stated that NSA employees could not use whistleblower status. That was what I was asking a source for.

See this press release by Tice's whistleblower group They claim the current whistleblower law doesn't apply to them.
68 posted on 01/10/2006 5:17:34 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: lapsus calami

This guy comes off as another "Richard Clarke" type.

Looking for his 15 minutes of fame.


69 posted on 01/10/2006 5:19:08 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Eva
Roberts must have had a bump on his personal wealth somewhere over that.

No way do you let treason slide against the President in a time of war, whether it be Rockefeller or our national security by employees/elected officials or ex-employees who disagree with Presidential policy.

Lots of jail needs to be handed out.
Rockefeller never deserved a pass, and wasn't the Republican staffer/aide actually being a real whistle blower when he revealed Rockefeller's dubious plot.
That guy should sue for millions against the government for firing him.
70 posted on 01/10/2006 5:19:38 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: advance_copy
He should MUST be arrested now for revealing classified information in accordance with existing security regulations and laws. Whistle blowers are not afforded any protection from running to the press - they have to follow the existing whistle blower laws, and this information would have remained CLASSIFIED TOP SECRET +, not be spilled all over the front pages of the NYT for our enemies to read and alter their communication habits.
71 posted on 01/10/2006 5:31:55 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
[Tice] says the number of Americans subject to eavesdropping by the NSA could be in the millions if the full range of secret NSA programs is used.

Could be? He's guessing? What kind of accusation is that!?

72 posted on 01/10/2006 5:34:40 PM PST by Nevermore
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To: West Coast Conservative

I think Tice needs to tighten the foil hat.


73 posted on 01/10/2006 5:36:34 PM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: new yorker 77

Jamacian Beef Patties are Good... But Cayman Beef Patties are the best... Yum....


74 posted on 01/10/2006 5:37:37 PM PST by ARA
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To: West Coast Conservative
Carville and Clinton will get him a nice post in their administration if Lenin Loving Loony (LLL) Hillary wins in 08.
75 posted on 01/10/2006 5:43:21 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: headstamp
This guy comes off as another "Richard Clarke" type.

Even more so when you read in one interview quoted on the Daily Kos that he initially got crosswise of the NSA over his complaint that a naturalized American from China should not have a high level security clearance. Sounds to me as though, like Clarke, he had problems with other people passing him by.

76 posted on 01/10/2006 5:50:59 PM PST by JimSEA (America cannot have an exit strategy from the world.)
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To: Peach
Isn't Tice the guy who is so mentally unstable that it's kind of frightening to even contemplate that he held a sensitive government position?

Your thinking of Xlinton.


77 posted on 01/10/2006 5:52:47 PM PST by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: new yorker 77

ROTFL!!! What a likeness!


78 posted on 01/10/2006 5:52:49 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: ConservativeGreek
"The NSA revoked Tice's security clearance in May of last year based on what it called psychological concerns and later dismissed him"

You'd think the NSA would be able to determine he was a nutjob before they hired him.

79 posted on 01/10/2006 5:57:40 PM PST by Godebert
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To: new yorker 77

"I will never, ever disclose TOP SECRET information to a newspaper reporter and violate Federal law! Wait, you are offering me what?"

"I'll say anything! Anything you want - even if it isn't true!"

80 posted on 01/10/2006 5:58:45 PM PST by SkyPilot
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