Home schooling a “Form of Child Abuse” says South Surrey Liberal Candidate (Canada)

LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/10/06 | Hilary White

[humblegunner]

Could you?

Absolutely not. That's the whole point.

[darkangel82]

Yep. Also, without that indoctrination, they'll reject socialism, and when these kids turn 18 they'll vote conservatives into office.

[Chena]

Yes, I assert that a forklift operator isn't qualified to teach algebra. Refute that all you like, Zippy.

Do you have any idea how ignorant you're sounding? OMG! I have a son who not only did very well in Algebra 1, and Algebra 2, and he runs a forklift sometimes as well. Now, if he chooses to run a forklift, or other equipment, as a career choice, does that mean his knowledge about Algebra will somehow just disappear? Your assumptions are making you appear to be ignorant and downright nasty. LOL

[don-o]

Keep digging. People with actual experience on on you like white on rice.

[Canadian Outrage]

Honestly, your too ignorant to slap!!

[Plymouth Sentinel]

If we keep you on here another post or two, you might get around to insulting half the FReepers.

We're still waiting for you to post a comment that would be of value concerning homeschooling. Or teaching qualifications. Or parenting.

Last chance.

[SauronOfMordor]

Most people are unqualified to homeschool.

I would argue that most people who hold education degrees are not qualified to teach

The fundamental common denominator among homeschool parents is that they are passionate about their kids learning (unlike some union timecard punchers). With that as a given, all else is possible

At the elementary grades, any parent who can read can homeschool. For elementary reading, there's "Hooked on Phonics" (which I've used very successfully). I've gotten some excellent old texts in history (better than the modern PC crap) in flea markets and old library sales

High school science and math can be tricky (fortunately I was an engineering major) but there are homeschool coop groups (where parents teach what they know best, as an informal private school). The smarter kids can simply take science classes at the local community college (and use their labs)

[happyhomemaker]

"4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. [a] 5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates." Duet 6:4-9

God didn't ask us if we could teach Algebra when He gave us our children LOL! O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:31-34

We consider Algebra to be one of "these things". God has graciously met our needs and we do not worry :-)

[wintertime]

Joe works in a warehouse, he knows how to run a forklift and load a truck.
He's the Dad. Linda works at El Camaron, a restaraunt. She waits tables. She's the Mom. ( humblegunner)

To Humblegunner,

Well,,,,,are you mistakenly assuming that government schools can teach algebra? I have news for you they don't. In fact, government schools fail to teach multiplication, division, fractions, and decimals as well, and forget about word problems. These kids can't read them.

How do I KNOW this?

My homeschooled kids were admitted to community college at the young ages of 13, 12, and 13. I had plenty of opportunity to observe the quality of government school graduate who came into the math lab for tutoring. Honestly, I am NOT kidding. These kids were literally learning long division. Who was it that was tutoring these kids? Yes! MY HOMESCHOOLED kids ( ages 13,12,and 13).

Also,,,,your post reflects and elitist bias against honest manual labor and an offensive superior attitude of class.

By the way,,,not only were my homeschooled kids finished with all three levels of college calculus by the age of 15, they were also completely finished with all their college general requirements and well into their major studies. The oldest majored in accounting ( while training full time as a nationally and internationally rank athlete) and the two younger finished their B.S. degrees in mathematics by the age of 18. The middle child has just finished a masters in math at the young age of 20.

My kids are NORMAL. It is government school children who are academically and socially retarded. Blame it on government school abuse!

[wintertime]

I would argue that most people who hold education degrees are not qualified to teach ( SauronofMordor)

To SauronOfMordor,

Very few government school teachers could pass the GED. Geeze! At the very least, I think we should subject every government school teacher to the GED and see how they fare.

[macrahanish #1]

One of the recent homeschoolers from our area is going to medical school. Many of our recent high graduates are working at the local wood products factory for $7.00/hour.
These are also socio-economic realities.

[SauronOfMordor]

The demonstrated fact that homeschooled kids test scores are much higher than the average public school scores undermines your position.

Quite obviously, a parent who does not feel confident she's going to do a good job is not going to try it. The vast majority of parents are qualified to teach elementary-grade subjects. When things get to the high school level, the homeschooler can go into a regular high school

For quite a few parents, they are much MORE qualified to teach than the regular teachers are. We have a lot of college educated professionals homeschooling.

[SauronOfMordor]

Let the plumbers teach biology and the sheetrockers lecture on physics.

Clumsy straw-man argument. I know a bunch of homeschoolers. All the ones I know are college-educated professionals, several with advanced degrees

[macrahanish #1]

The education bureaucracy is designed to inculcate groupthink.
My wife has an MBA, is a CPA, and is an executive with a major corporation. However, she is not qualified to be a teacher,
because she doesn't have an education degree.
What a joke!!

[FLAMING DEATH]

You are so totally full of BS.

You know, somehow, many of the great minds throughout history managed to teach THEMSELVES without the benefit of public schools, and yet now, here in the 20th century, with the added advantage of the Internet and readily available texts, you suggest that it is impossible for a parent to teach their kid algebra (and learn it themselves at the same time?).

I suppose then they also can't help them with their homework, right?

I've been a public school teacher for over 10 years, and I also know and have worked with people who have homeschooled their children. Some might be mad at me for saying it, but there's no way that 30:1 pupil to teacher ratio can be anywhere near as effective as a parent working one on one with a child, even when the parent has a marginal background in the subject area.

[proud American in Canada]

My brother in law is an auto mechanic. He became an auto mechanic because of the economics of where he grew up--it's a poor rural area and there is not much in the way of higher education unless he moved far away.

He and my sister in law are both intelligent and committed to their family, and if they made the commitment to home school, I'm sure they'd do just fine.

Perhaps you seem to think that homeschooling is a choice made on the spur of the moment? I'm a lawyer who stayed home with my kids and I didn't think I could take on that responsibility. It is a major commitment, and people who do it use every resource to get the job done for their kids.

And you know... I bet that seeing such dedication on the part of their parents goes a long way to helping homeschooled kids have the solid self esteem and good grades that they seem to have.

I can't really figure your posts out, beyond just a blanket slur of non-professional people.

[Semi Civil Servant]

Have you ever read the research on how well home schoolers do academically? Or socially? How does the research square with your numerous idiotic statements? Or are you just an ignorant lout shooting your mouth off?

I expect your kind if infantile trash talk from liberal nitwits. Get lost, moonbat.

[SauronOfMordor]

Very few government school teachers could pass the GED. Geeze! At the very least, I think we should subject every government school teacher to the GED and see how they fare.

I wouldn't go so far, but I would believe there are a bunch teaching who could not. There were uproars in more than one school system when it was suggested that the teachers take the high school tests that the students were supposed to take

Take a look at the "US News and World Report" special issue on grad schools in the US. I recall looking thru it at one point and seeing that the GRE scores to get into the top-ranked Education masters program were a couple of hundred points lower than the 50th-ranked engineering program

[SauronOfMordor]

My wife has an MBA, is a CPA, and is an executive with a major corporation. However, she is not qualified to be a teacher, because she doesn't have an education degree.

The professors teaching college freshmen are not qualified to teach high school seniors because they don't have education degrees

[headsonpikes]

Public school education has certainly worked its magic on you!

Thanks for the prolonged bouts of laughter at this end.

I hope to see your routine again.