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U.S. Trade Representative Reviews Progress on Free Trade Goals
U.S. Department of State's Bureau of International Information Programs ^ | 08 Jan 2006 | Ambassador Rob Portman

Posted on 01/10/2006 7:43:06 AM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: meadsjn
"Free Trade" is global socialism.

Another fool. The people who are most against free trade are the Communists and Greens. You're in their camp, not I.

Ivan

41 posted on 01/10/2006 2:45:58 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
Africa has everything from chromium to oil.

And they need $2.7 billion from us to "allow" them to sell it to us? Yeah...right..
42 posted on 01/10/2006 2:58:33 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
And they need $2.7 billion from us to "allow" them to sell it to us? Yeah...right..

In case you hadn't noticed, you can't get oil into say, oil barrels that are sealed to EPA standards by poking with a stick into the ground.

Would you please at least make an attempt at thought next time. Knee jerk reflexes are not doing the job.

Ivan

43 posted on 01/10/2006 3:00:17 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
You're in their camp, not I.

Really? When you call global socialism 'opening markets', you're just obfuscating the name, thats all.
44 posted on 01/10/2006 3:01:46 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

RIght, I'm encouraging socialism because I want less government intereference in trade, not more. It is you protectionists who want the government to pick and choose what it is that people can buy or sell. Socialism calls for the government to make such choices in individuals economic lives, and that is precisely what you are in favour of.

You're the flaming red pinko subversive, not I. I am not the weakling who believes my country cannot compete against foreign companies and goes running screaming to nanny government for protection. That designation belongs to the likes of you.

Ivan


45 posted on 01/10/2006 3:04:09 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
Nanny government?

LOLOLOL.

Blair launches 'respect' agenda
Setting up a National Parenting Academy?
Setting up 50 schemes across the country by the end of the year to help deal with problem families?

Don't forget those surveillance cameras. Big mamma Blair is watching YOU.
46 posted on 01/10/2006 3:20:20 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Willie Green
Thank goodness for gated-communities.
How could the aristocracy ever survive without them?


Even that will not help if things tank when you have millions outside with everything from pitchforks to M1 Garands. Welcome to the world of "Rollerball," "Blade Runner" or "Dark Conspiracy." B-P
47 posted on 01/10/2006 3:22:57 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("Nationalist Retard" and proud of it! Michael Savage for President in 2008!!!)
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To: MadIvan

Tariffs are a constitutional feature of the United States government. You are advocating that we overthrow our Constitution because you want a "new system", which is an old system, which America fought to throw out in the American Revolution. Your old system was garbage then for America and its garbage still.


48 posted on 01/10/2006 3:23:36 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: swampfox98
Our debt to China now exceeds 8 trillion and Congress has passed a law that will increase the debt even further.

I've seen you struggle with math in the past. I don't suppose you can back up the idea that we owe China $8 trillion? (snicker)

49 posted on 01/10/2006 3:51:50 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (How much for the large slurpee?)
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To: MadIvan
because I want less government intereference in trade,

So if this "Free Trade" deal requires $2.7 Billion of government interference, with money confiscated from American taxpayers, that's somehow "less government interference"?

Your logic is twisted.

50 posted on 01/10/2006 3:52:32 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I've seen you struggle with your own stupidity in the past, Toddster. It's a sad sight to behold.


51 posted on 01/10/2006 3:55:53 PM PST by swampfox98 (I voted for George Bush and got Vicente Fox. Phooey!)
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To: meadsjn

It's not interference, it's opening up markets. You protectionists on the other hand want to restrict trade, force consumers to make choices that are, in the end, going to be made in Washington.

Yet you claim to be conservatives. That's definitely twisted.

Ivan


52 posted on 01/10/2006 4:06:23 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
If "Free Trade" were a capitalist movement, it would be privately financed, by definition. It isn't, so it isn't.

Are you using the B. Clinton dictionary?

53 posted on 01/10/2006 4:09:28 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: hedgetrimmer

Screw free trade. Why do we sign these dumbass trade deals?


54 posted on 01/10/2006 4:11:06 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: swampfox98
Are you sure we don't owe China $8 gazillion?
55 posted on 01/10/2006 4:12:07 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (How much for the large slurpee?)
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To: meadsjn
If "Free Trade" were a capitalist movement, it would be privately financed, by definition.

There are plenty of companies that finance protectionism because they profit from anti-capitalist practices. The sugar industry in the USA is a leading example - they find it's better to play politics than actually compete with the rest of the world. It's not so cut and dried that companies or financiers are in favour of capitalism. Not just protectionist losers scream for mummy government to protect them.

Setting intelligent policy, however, requires realising that capitalism provides the best consumer choice, and thus putting forward those policies which bolster it.

Ivan

56 posted on 01/10/2006 4:15:02 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: Mase; 1rudeboy; expat_panama
Our debt to China now exceeds 8 trillion and Congress has passed a law that will increase the debt even further.

What came first, flunking 5th grade math class or protectionism?

57 posted on 01/10/2006 4:16:42 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (How much for the large slurpee?)
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To: hedgetrimmer
{"we cannot afford to miss this once-in-a-generation opportunity to ...lift millions of people out of poverty"}

At what price?

Yeah, we wouldn't want the entire world to be full of capitalists now, would we? Do you believe that saving the people of developing countries from development is a noble cause? Is escaping poverty, disease and ignorance, with the hope of a better life, a good enough reason for promoting increased trade?

You cry about the spending of $2.7 billion to facilitate these sorts of agreements that help develop trade while, at the same time, adamantly defending farm price supports (welfare) that cost American taxpayers/consumers tens of billions a year.

Personally, I would much rather have these trade agreements without foreign aid or other subsidies provided by the US taxpayer. Unfortunately, these sorts of things are political realities that will benefit this country over the long term - unlike your beloved price supports.

Your focus on a small expenditure such as this, in light of the massive government waste on entitlements, shows us you have no sense of priorities or of proportion.

58 posted on 01/10/2006 4:26:25 PM PST by Mase
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To: MadIvan
You made some good points.

Surely we don't disagree that our government / corporations are subject to WTO rulings?

RE: "You're paranoid. And this time, no one is out to get you."

Cute.

I mentioned Bill Clinton because he is a World Economic Forum (WEF) regular and if it is paranoid to believe that the Clintons and their domestic and international "comrades" have other than promoting U.S. sovereignty and military power in mind -- given their Red China shenanigans -- then.. Guilty!

When I say Davos of course I mean the World Economic Forum where business, academic, political, government leaders from around the world meet to identify and debate the economic and social challenges of the day and "to shape global, regional and industry agendas."

Of course it cannot order it can only influence the mission of those who do have some authority over corporations and world trade, e.g., governments, the WTO, the UN, and the CEOs themselves.

Though corporations pay for the WEF the counter-WEF, World Social Forum, associates (international unions, NGOs) attend and speak at Davos.

I am not suggesting a worldwide government that owns everything down to and including the skid marks on underwear is in the works; i.e communism.

My main point: I am saying that it is impossible for me to believe that WEF / WSF, et al. of that ilk are planning to make the world safe and prosperous and then ride off into the sunset.

59 posted on 01/10/2006 4:26:48 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
The goal of "free trade" is to "alleviate poverty", not eliminate tariffs.

(Chuckle) So it's sorta kinda like a welfare program, isn't it?

I suppose I can understand why Karl Marx supported it....

60 posted on 01/10/2006 4:28:03 PM PST by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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