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To: RinaseaofDs
A feminist has come to common terms with nothing other than an unrealistic set of expectations

So they have become the sort of person who looks for brides overseas ;~D

I'll agree that feminism has lost its way, much in the same way that other minority rights activists have lost their way. They both fought a real demon once, but they are unwilling to admit the ground that needed to be won has been won, and they should now go home. They now continue to prolong and in some cases invent new controversies to stay relevant. They are having a hard time finding troops who will buy into their new goals.

My concern is that as long as the feminist movement exists, there will be a counter movement among FReeper men that is equally and oppositely destructive to our political goals because it drives women away. We are a party that has respect for Laura Bush, Ann Coulter and Condi Rice, three very different women who each have a place at our table, each according to their own merit. Women are necessary and the anger and unrealistic expectations of some are limiting our cause.

93 posted on 01/10/2006 11:53:39 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I'd agree with you completely, its just that I wouldn't characterize any of those people you mentioned being feminists. Not really.

Let's throw another name in there too - Dr. Laura. Her book on husbands is so on the mark that it brings tears to the eye upon reading it. What's worse, what she's talking about isn't rocket science either.

I really am only angry at feminists - in that feminists believe in the primacy of the female. Most feminists, in that spirit see abortion as a right - its a central tenent. I don't think any of the women you've mentioned, and most of the women in this forum, have such hubris.

I sincerely believe men and women need each other desperately. I also believe that feminists currently control the political, social, and business agenda. It's why the family court system is rigged, why your home and fortune is at risk, why even free speech is abriged.

Even this Sushi Das person makes the point, "Why aren't men engaged in this debate."

It's because the debate is over. Men are STILL looking for good women. Conservative men all the more.


103 posted on 01/10/2006 12:04:42 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (If stupidity were painful, liberals would be extinct)
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To: HairOfTheDog
My concern is that as long as the feminist movement exists, there will be a counter movement among FReeper men that is equally and oppositely destructive to our political goals because it drives women away.

Whether one approved of what we call traditional families, no one can deny that they worked. If there's a gender war going on today (and there obviously is) it's because roles have been redefined by women with little or no input from men.

Men have seen the result, and are saying in increasing numbers, "No thanks."

329 posted on 01/10/2006 9:15:37 PM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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