[Alkhin]

Are you Muslim? Because you talk as if you have never lived through the centuries of change that occured in Western civilization, the changes in attitudes towards marriage that occured as more and more people realized that a husband and wife are more than just machines for procreation. You talk as if you have never actually had a relationship beyond what satisfies your sense of security...or lack thereof. This is a pathology that is showing up in Islamic societies everywhere.

Youre hiding from something in yourself. Thats becoming patently clear with each and every post you make. It isnt about the women who don't act the way you want them to. Its about your inability to face your own humanity. You are denying something in yourself that you have apparently spent LOTS of time rationalizing and creating a pseudo-philosophy for. I swear, sometimes the things you post sound like they come straight out of a college textbook.

You need therapy, hun.

[JasonC]

No, I am not a Muslim. Once again a communist losing an argument reaches for an ad homimen. Once again you try to argue against straw men because you can't face the person in front of you. The primary purpose of marriage is having and raising children. That is what the institution is for. Trying to change it into something else peripheral to that, is trying to destroy it.

Feminists want to destroy marriage because at its heart are duties to something larger than self, and they aren't interested in any of those. By first pretending that secondary aspects of marriage are its essence, they deliberately make it fluid and optional.

If romantic love, not children, is the purpose of marriage, then as soon as it fades if only for a moment, divorce is perfectly rational. If children are not central to marriage but self realization is, then murdering one's children for the sake of one's career is perfectly normal. If marriage exists to civilize bestial men, then the instant a marriage is dissolved the father becomes a beast and may be treated as one. If pleasure is the purpose of marriage, then anybody can marry anything, and divorce again over a hangnail.

What is used to justify this ruinous assault, which as a fact kills a quarter of our children, renders a third of those left fatherless, and half of those left in broken homes later on? Pure impudence, that's what. Allegations of horridness directed at entirely decent people with the least color of evidence or fact. They simply say anyone who disagrees with them is a slavedriver, a criminal, a monster, flat making it up out of nothing. As a fact, no one here has been wronged in the slightest by the imaginary crimes they impute to their foes. But plenty of people here have been very materially harmed by their ideology.

It is the Stalinist playbook, all over. Free producers of wealth who haven't harmed a soul are simply smeared as ogres in order to despoil them. Is anyone participating in this thread able to cite a single injury I have ever done them? That I have ever done anyone else, whom they pretend to speak for? No. But they are still entirely free with their allegations of monsterhood. Over what? Having the gall to call them what they are.