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To: JasonC
I've jumped in and out of this discussion over the past couple of days and I don't have time to read a billion posts. Did you at some point on this thread or another, state your definition of "feminist"? And please don't interpret this as an attack and yell at me, because I'd really like to know.

This is from the American Heritage dictionary: Feminism:

1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.

2. The movement organized around this belief.

Again, don't yell at me, but I can't believe anyone could be in disagreement with equality for all. That's just un- American.

I think the extreme passion you show must relate to the "movement" and what it's become. I was active in the "feminist" movement in college because I wanted to be paid equally for my work when I graduated. Who could be opposed to that? The "movement" devolved into lesbian propaganda, abortion on demand, etc., and lost most of the rational members like me. I just wanted a fair shot at life.

But if you asked me if I was a feminist based on the first definition of feminism above, I would have to say yes, because I want equality for my daughters and their daughters. Why wouldn't I? I love my girls as much as I love my boys. I want my boys to be equal to everyone else on earth, too. My sons and duaghters believe in equality for all, and most of them are more passionate about conservatism than I am. I think I raised them well. Each of us also would denounce most of what feminism has come to mean, like the slaughter of innocents.

I understand that the nuances in the first definition have provided the evil that is the sanctioned "movement" today. Evil philosophies always twist the truth to advance evil, like abortion.

So do we just need a new word for conservatives who believe the sexes should be treated fairly in life? I love men, except the jerks.

Here's my definition of a jerk, male or female: a selfish person. That simple. All jerky behavior is derived from that simple definition. One who is thinking of others wouldn't be mean, rude, thoughtless, hateful, greedy, unfaithful, egotistic, power-hungry, drunk, lazy, dangerous to others, etc. Jerks are just selfish; in the end they want what they want without regard for anyone else.

We're all here because we are conservatives, and support conservative goals. The gender wars that rage on threads like this are divisive and hurt the cause. I really think that most freepers think that all people are created equal, and endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights, etc. If they don't, then they've already flushed themselves out as un-American.

Again, in all sincerety--what's a feminist?

674 posted on 01/12/2006 3:20:37 AM PST by NYpeanut (gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, "Why did you lie to me?")
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To: NYpeanut
I can't believe anyone could be in disagreement with equality for all. That's just un- American.

Let me be the first.

Since all are not equal, a government dedicated to equality for all must, ipso facto, suppress all liberty and all justice.

As far as I know, liberty and justice for all are core American values. We used to say something along those lines every day in school.

Equality for all is not only not un-American, it's anti-American.

JMO.

675 posted on 01/12/2006 3:27:20 AM PST by Jim Noble (Fiat justitia, ruat coelum)
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To: NYpeanut
A feminist is anyone who identifies with feminism. Not the dreamy abstraction of all things right and true between their ears, but the real thing out there in the real world full of screeching people and actual practices, smashing family life and murdering innocents. What's a communist? Is it just people who believes everyone should receive the full rewards of their labor? Or is it a real historical and political movement that took over entire countries and killed millions?

Those who ID with feminism and support it, have a lot to answer for, because their muscle and their blindness pushed all the crap of the activists. And they need to cut it out. Many have by now, most can see the damage it has done. By your dictionary, #2, the movement, which is organized around something quite different from that belief, is the real thing.

Do we need a new word for it? No, we don't need a word for it at all. We need the ideological movement to cease utterly, to be smashed politically, and to have no adherents. Nobody needs them, for anything. You don't need a scrap of feminism to be moral, to want nice things of any description, for yourself, your family, or others. They simply have nothing to do with it.

Feminism sold the cockamamie notion that a grand conspiracy of immoral oppressors was taking away their flowers and puppy dogs, and it was just a flat out lie. They then pretend that ordinary women must rise up and side with them in political struggle against non-existent beasts. And paints pictures of said beasts on unoffending men all over. Making all of it up. All we need to do is stop listening to them and stop believing their divisions and their peddled hatred. And then just act as ordinary, non-ideological, non-Stalinist human beings, in accordance with ordinary morality.

691 posted on 01/12/2006 7:18:03 AM PST by JasonC
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