Posted on 01/10/2006 1:49:22 AM PST by nickcarraway
shows a woman with a gigantic chip on her shoulder.
But she's wearing a choker, Yeah Baby!
R3
I'm glad my husband didn't have the attitude that I see by lots of the men on this thread. I was almost 30 when we got married.
I'd agree with you completely, its just that I wouldn't characterize any of those people you mentioned being feminists. Not really.
Let's throw another name in there too - Dr. Laura. Her book on husbands is so on the mark that it brings tears to the eye upon reading it. What's worse, what she's talking about isn't rocket science either.
I really am only angry at feminists - in that feminists believe in the primacy of the female. Most feminists, in that spirit see abortion as a right - its a central tenent. I don't think any of the women you've mentioned, and most of the women in this forum, have such hubris.
I sincerely believe men and women need each other desperately. I also believe that feminists currently control the political, social, and business agenda. It's why the family court system is rigged, why your home and fortune is at risk, why even free speech is abriged.
Even this Sushi Das person makes the point, "Why aren't men engaged in this debate."
It's because the debate is over. Men are STILL looking for good women. Conservative men all the more.
Funny you should mention that - that's precisely the analogy I was thinking of.
Australia's pretty great too. Women there are lovely and happy to be happy - just happy sharing life with somebody. Amazing people, them.
I live in Australia. Australian women are just as feminist as American women. Maybe it's a matter of degree, and that American women are even worse. Or maybe it's an age thing.
This is exactly true. And what I tell all the younger folk I know. Life is short. if you are planning on ever having children, do it now. My wife and I waited until I was 40 to have our first child (lots of health issues delayed us. We tried to start when I was 30 but it didn't work out). While I was much more financially secure I was also 10 years older.
You can always get more money but you can't get more years.
If everything goes exactly correct I'll be 68 or so when my youngest graduates from high school (My wife died in September and I want more children and haven't met the right woman yet so obviously this is a real wild number).
It's far better to have your kids while you're young.
The second point is we need to revamp family law so that marriage doesn't have as many risks for the man as it does now. It's scary how easy it is to lose your whole life just because the woman went strange on you. If I didn't want more kids I wouldn't remarry at all, I'd just play around. Same as the 20 somethings are doing.
I said that it was looks that initially attracted me. That is not why I married them. But I would never have known they had a great personality if the first time I met them they had a mustache thicker than mine.
As a man, good looks opened the door and a great personality sealed the deal. By the same token, the fact that I had a job and money and paid for our first date made them feel secure enough to go on a second one. I dont fault them for that....I applaud their good judgement.
But do you think if I told them I wanted to have them over to my mom's house to play on my x-box that they would give a rats rear end about my personality?
Last I was there was 1992. That would explain it.
Sorry to hear things have changed a bit.
Thanks. I don't think things are going to get much better here either.
I've noticed that the HR dept of the company I currently work at has a dozen employees. Not one male works in the HR dept. I don't think it's just my company
I don't think they're 'feminists' either. Not in the political sense.
You're right that feminism has really become synonymous with liberalism, and even moreso, abortion. That's what I meant when I said that the feminist movement, having won the war, decided not to go home but invent new controversies. And it muddied the water for women such as myself who vote republican because we want smaller government (and they keep promising this) and yet I support women's involvement in both business and politics and even military, where we are suited for it.
The language of conservatism needs to change to adapt to this because bitching about feminism is too vague. Because when you say you hate liberalism and abortion, I'm on board. If you say women have no business being in business or politics (as some on this forum do) you lose me.
As for Dr Laura's book, I've heard good things about it, but I haven't read it. I've found her to be too shrill and mean for my tastes on her radio show (I have the same complaint about Ann Coulter). I think the roles of men and women in relationships, and our devotion to family does get a bit complex now, more than it was, but I think our role at home is ultimately not for political parties to decide, but for the families themselves, each according to what they want out of their life. Freedom's not easy.
And strangely enough, Frank Zappa was on a par with Ted Nugent and Gene Simmons for being anti - recreational drug use. So much so that he'd fire band members for indulging.
It's an accurate depiction of real life
Men do not need to marry to get female companionship. Men marry when they've decided they're ready to become fathers. At which point, they marry women who will have some interest in being mothers, and are still in their best child-bearing years
"Increasingly American men marry women from a traditional society such as Japan, Korea or Saudi Arabia. Perhaps there is a message there."
IF (and that's huge if) I ever get married again, my new bride will come from a traditional society.
Women are more likely than men to delude themselves. They can have a firm picture of what kind of person they want (and it never occurs to them to ask why this perfect man would have any interest in them) and will not settle for anything less. Then these women wind up at 35, never married, bitter, and still not having a clue.
" IF (and that's huge if) I ever get married again, my new bride will come from a traditional society.
Emphasis mine, in reference to the countrys you quoted above... By traditional do you mean a society where women live in constant fear of their husbands? Is it the traditional burhkas and beheadings, or the silence in public and foot binding that you wish we had more of in this country?
Aw, poor little fellers. If they had any self-respect whatsoever they'd dump the broads in question, quit complaining, and move on. Metrowimp victimologists.
While it's true we often fit into types, and those types are certainly present on this forum, I'm really trying to not just make it an 'us' against them. I don't like it when men do it. I don't like it when women do it.
I never reference a specific country.
I said I would marry a woman from a Traditional Society.
The quoted message above that was from the original post.
and if you don't like my view then there's a real simple solution to the problem.
Don't read it.
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