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Suicide Bombasts, I've seen those here!

It's possible the article is meant as political humor, Hanania is a comedian, but the Arab News ran it as an editorial, you'll note his "bio" doesn't mention his employment as a comic, so it's fair to assume the Saudis take the column seriously.

1 posted on 01/08/2006 7:58:20 AM PST by SJackson
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2 posted on 01/08/2006 8:02:33 AM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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Christian fundamentalism is built on a latent hatred of Jews. But they are not beyond exploiting Biblical prophecy to drive their own money machines, disguised as Christian ministries.

I didn't know the kool-aid in Saudia Arabia tasted so good...
3 posted on 01/08/2006 8:03:25 AM PST by JamesP81
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But the core of the evangelical movement is the belief that all non-believers, including Muslims, moderate Christians and especially Jews will be dispatched to an eternity of hellfire on that Judgment Day.

Very true. Fortunately, they are content to wait for their God to do it on Judgment Day so I don't have to worry about one of them trying to kill me today in a Christian jihad. Therein lies a distinct difference between Islam and fundamentalist Christians. As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.

4 posted on 01/08/2006 8:05:18 AM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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Ray Hanania is an award winning Palestinian American columnist...

A Christian, Hanania can be reached at www.hanania.com.

A joke with its own punchline.

5 posted on 01/08/2006 8:07:29 AM PST by F16Fighter
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"Hanania is a comedian"

Well, now it almost makes sense, but the article isn't funny. Just stupid, alot of outrageous extrapolation without facts to back it up (i.e. fundamentalist Christians would suicide bomb if they were in the Palestinians position). Not even worth a second read.


6 posted on 01/08/2006 8:08:20 AM PST by raynearhood ("America is too great for small dreams." - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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The suicide bomber is a bold answer to today's feable will that states nothing is worth dying for.

True, no empty liberal society - as unfortunately exists today - is worth your life. There are other things worth our lives that are not dreamed of, not allowed to be recognized while subject to the forces of PC, multiculturalism, etc, under penalty of social branding if you even discuss such ideas.

"Extremist" am I, for saying these things....


10 posted on 01/08/2006 8:18:09 AM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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"Christian fundamentalism is built on a latent hatred of Jews. But they are not beyond exploiting Biblical prophecy to drive their own money machines, disguised as Christian ministries."

What bull sh-t!

The american jewish community(at least the non-orthodox) should be as good to Israel as the Fundamentalists.

If there were more fundamentalists in the 30's and 40's would Roosevelts response to the holocaust have been any different?
possibly.


13 posted on 01/08/2006 8:19:24 AM PST by avile
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"Christian fundamentalism is built on a latent hatred of Jews. But they are not beyond exploiting Biblical prophecy to drive their own money machines, disguised as Christian ministries."

Yea, every day I read stories of the suicide bombers, fresh from training at a Christian University, blowing themselves up along with dozens of Jews.


16 posted on 01/08/2006 8:22:41 AM PST by RouxStir (Peaceful Muslim?.....The Ultimate Oxymoron.)
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To: SJackson

What a whack job.

Pat Robertson doesn't speak for all Christians. But, true Christians believe in preserving Israel at all costs. Which means that they are jew lovers.

Sharon is a progressive/liberal appeaser and accordingly his concessions fit with the current secularist mindset.

To compare Robertson to the nuke-hungry Iranian leadership is like comparing Shirley Temple to Genghis Khan.

Deafening is the silence from the American left vis a vis Mahmoud, but not vis a vis Pat!


18 posted on 01/08/2006 8:23:49 AM PST by just a dude
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This guy's total lack of comprehension regarding Christianity is breathtaking. As for Robertson's comments, they are not anti-semitic. I'm no huge fan of Robertson, but his comment was addressed regarding Sharon, not all Jews...unless the author would have us believe that to denounce the policies of one person can only be made as part of some grand scheme of hating all Jews...a silly and ignorant notion. Robertson believe God gave the land of Israel to the Jews, and to divide the land that is God given is to find one's self at odds with God's gift...hence his comment. I would not have made the same claim as Robertson...but the general rush to condemn him, and all Christians by extension is annoying, especially because it's rooted in an even more annoying ignorance on the part of those condemning him.
20 posted on 01/08/2006 8:28:14 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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**Ray Hanania is an award winning Palestinian American**

Bless his heart, he won an award!


22 posted on 01/08/2006 8:36:02 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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I certainly disagree with Pat Robertson on his statement. He has the right to make it, of course, but, as we'll be seeing, his statement will be taken up by the mutual enemies of the USA and Israel and used against both.

It is a shame that Rev. Robertson cannot keep his trap closed, at least part of the time. He has done this sort of thing before. At least twice, President Bush has felt it necessary to rebuke him and make it clear that Robertson's attitudes are not those of the USA.

Let Pat preach the gospel, and leave international politics alone. He'd be better off.


26 posted on 01/08/2006 8:37:00 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Imagine, Israelis are outraged with the anti-Semitic comments of their frequent ally, Christian fundamentalist Pat Robertson.

I see. So being critical of a Jewish politician for not doing a good job of looking out for Jewish interests is now "anti-Semitism". Wonderful

34 posted on 01/08/2006 9:17:52 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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"Robertson is a Christian zealot. His equivalent of suicide bombing is his “suicide bombast.” I am certain that if Christian fundamentalists in America were to ever find themselves in the same situation as the Palestinians, for example, they would defend suicide bombing as a “justified” form of combat. "

This character might fit the profile of a comic to some, but there is absolutely nothing funny about this statement. This statement is just pure lunacy and while I hardly am a follower of Robertson nothing he has ever said or could ever say could entice me to consider 'homicide' bombings as acceptable warfare.


43 posted on 01/08/2006 9:47:28 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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The author has no idea what they are talking about. Complete ignorance if not blatant defamation.


46 posted on 01/08/2006 10:39:09 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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Who is this idiot? Total moron.........wrong on soooooooooooo many levels.


50 posted on 01/08/2006 11:46:56 AM PST by RightOnline
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Christian fundamentalism is built on a latent hatred of Jews.

Hello...McFly,...(knock,knock,knock) ... our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, who is alive and well today is Himself Jewish.

64 posted on 01/09/2006 5:21:50 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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>>Moderate Christians believe that all people who believe in the One God, be they Christian, Muslims or Jews, will go to Heaven<<

"Moderate Christians" would be wrong.

Christ is ths only way to the Father.

That being said, Robertson is an a$$ for making such comments, and IMO does not speak for the rest of us "fundies".


66 posted on 01/09/2006 5:28:29 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: SJackson

Back to the original article, the author makes quite a few statements which are consistent with freemasonry perspectives, but not Scripturally consistent.

WRT Pat Robertson, I may not disagree with his point of view, but the implied statements attributed to him are also mistaken.

He raises a decent point that anybody splitting the promised land is walking on a path against the will of God. Divine discipline might include a sin unto death, i.e. God has a plan for each of us and if we continue to rebel in our personal volition and refuse to abide by His plan for us, it is possible for us to corner ourselves into a position where we are no longer good for anything in His plan for us and all of mankind on earth, and He might remove us from this first life.

Conversely, in identifying today's events with Prophecy, the country called "Israel" by the UN, in many ways, is not the Israel of Prophecy. Accordingly, becoming preoccupied with blessing those of the present country 'Israel' and Israel of Prophecy is arguably a mistaken notion.

Secondly, even if the identity of Israel in Prophecy is granted as the present day country, identifying the cause of a person's declining health as being a divine punishment, insufficiently recognizes this age of grace. The suffering being endured, if endured while one perseveres in faith through Christ, may simply be a testing and a natural part of the Christian experience advancing in spiritual maturity.

In both notes, though, it appears Robertson didn't overstep any judgmental lines, but rather concluded that any person dividing Israel is interfering with God's edicts. Such a discernment is more theologic, than hateful. On the contrary, if spoken from a position of fellowship with God, the statement reflects a point of view that directs attention to God, not of any other party.

More directly, the association of Robertson's perspective as being anti-Jewish/Semitic/religion fails to understand the thinking or mind of Christ, but instead reflects the perspective of a person absorbed in a cosmic system of wrong-thinking absorbed in soulish perspective.


69 posted on 01/09/2006 5:58:15 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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70 posted on 01/09/2006 6:27:33 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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