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Fate of Coleman evidence unknown - State hasn't produced the original samples after man's execution
TIMES-DISPATCH ^ | Jan 7, 2006 | FRANK GREEN

Posted on 01/07/2006 5:45:47 AM PST by Former Military Chick

DNA testing that may finally put to rest the guilt or innocence of Roger Keith Coleman is possible only because of a forensic scientist on the other side of the country.

That is because Virginia authorities cannot find the original evidence from the 1981 rape and murder that led to Coleman's 1992 execution. State law at the time allowed the destruction of evidence after initial appeals were over.

But Coleman's case was one of the most contentious and high-profile in the modern history of the death penalty in the United States. And the evidence was still intact at least nine years after the slaying.

On Thursday, Gov. Mark R. Warner announced that testing was under way in the case using DNA extracts prepared in 1990 by Dr. Edward T. Blake of Forensic Science Associates in Richmond, Calif.

Though hired by Coleman's lawyers in 1990, Blake's DNA testing strongly implicated Coleman, finding that he was within 2 percent of the population that could have committed the rape and murder of Wanda Fay McCoy in Grundy.

DNA technology developed since then might come up with more definitive results.

Following the 1990 testing, Blake returned the evidence to the Virginia State Police including part of a vaginal swab, a bloody sweater from the victim and a blood sample from Coleman -- and the items have subsequently disappeared.

James McClosky, executive director of Centurion Ministries, the New Jersey organization that long sought the current testing, said yesterday, "we're on a search for them right now."

"I've been trying to get the governor's office to locate them, and they're trying to. If they're gone, [if someone] destroyed that evidence, there's got to be an accounting for it. Somebody has to authorize that," said McClosky.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: rogerkeithcoleman
I have mentioned in a previous thread I have followed this case. It is my belief that if folks want the DNA to be tested, that is their right, but at their expense. I also think if someone is on death row, that they should have this opportunity if they say the DNA will make a difference. If after the testing it does not than the family of the convicted must pay the state for the testing.

The Coleman case seems mighty complex. I hope they will find the missing samples. I also hope that if and it is possible that the DNA proves otherwise that the state will go through all the evidence review it to see how this really changes the guilt or innocence of Coleman.

Then if Coleman were found to have not committed this crime than they must do all they can to find who ever did do this crime.

1 posted on 01/07/2006 5:45:48 AM PST by Former Military Chick
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To: Former Military Chick

Good idea. Having the convicted person pay if it proves guilt makes abuse less likely.

Conservatives, contrary to liberal claims used to justify their anti-death penalty positions, do not want innocent people in jail or put to death. If DNA can prove innocence, it's a great tool.


2 posted on 01/07/2006 5:59:59 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Former Military Chick
Though hired by Coleman's lawyers in 1990, Blake's DNA testing strongly implicated Coleman, finding that he was within 2 percent of the population that could have committed the rape and murder of Wanda Fay McCoy in Grundy.

Thats pretty good. I bet that the tests prove positive.

3 posted on 01/07/2006 6:09:17 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Former Military Chick
Warner's doing this solely because he thinks it will help him in a Presidential run.If a test were to prove,or even suggest,that the brother-in-law wasn't guilty,Warner would be hailed by those over in DUmmieLand as a hero and would,in turn,be showered with $$$ and praise.

The DNA test that was already done strongly suggests,but doesn't conclusively prove,that Coleman did it.Add that to the old saying that police cite when talking about the murder of a woman "before you look at the outlaws,be sure to look at the in-laws".

It would be great if the test was dome and showed that Coleman was guilty because,otherwise,Warner's chances in the '08 democRAT primaries would be greatly enhanced,and a southern democRAT Governor would be hard tough to beat.

4 posted on 01/07/2006 6:14:05 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: KC_Conspirator

Even if it doesn't, the DNA technology of the time and the whole casework history said this was the right man.


5 posted on 01/07/2006 6:29:39 AM PST by newzjunkey (In 2006: Halt W's illegals' amnesty. Get GOP elected statewide in CA.)
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To: Former Military Chick

This is all a boatload.


6 posted on 01/07/2006 6:42:46 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Former Military Chick

"we're on a search for them right now."

Good Luck. I can't find my favorite 3/8 ratchet in the garage the last time I changed my oil.


7 posted on 01/07/2006 7:02:14 AM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Former Military Chick
That is because Virginia authorities cannot find the original evidence from the 1981 rape and murder that led to Coleman's 1992 execution. State law at the time allowed the destruction of evidence after initial appeals were over.

Just use someone elses DNA that will prove he was innocent. - Tom

8 posted on 01/07/2006 7:29:29 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Former Military Chick

All stories include the fact that Coleman was the brother-in-law; do you know if he was married to one of her sisters or her husband's sisters, and if this woman has made any public comments about Coleman?


9 posted on 01/07/2006 8:00:42 AM PST by uvular
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To: Gay State Conservative
Since Warner already has all the votes of anyone who could be "impressed" in any way by this effort, we have to look elsewhere for his motive.

It's possible that former Governor Doug Wilder is targeted ~ that Warner is trying to discredit him so that he does not lead the more Conservative African-American community to support someone else in the Presidential primaries.

10 posted on 01/07/2006 8:21:14 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
Since Warner already has all the votes of anyone who could be "impressed" in any way by this effort, we have to look elsewhere for his motive.

IMO,if this test is done and indicates that the executed guy wasn't guilty,there will be dancing in the streets of Cambridge,Berkeley and on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.Warner would get the credit for shooting the death penalty down in flames (even if that doesn't happen). Along with this would come lots,and lots,and lots of $$$ from the usual (rich) suspects...Soros...Streisand...the Beautiful People of Manhattan,Malibu and Martha's Vineyard,etc,etc,etc.

I'll wager that Warner believes (correctly,IMO) that a democRAT Governor from a state like Virginia would be tough to beat in Nov '08.So it all depends on just how ambitious he is.

11 posted on 01/07/2006 8:39:07 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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Warner still has to pull in the Democrat delegates from his homestate, and without Doug Wilder out of the way, he doesn't have a chance.

Doug doesn't like fascist clowns, and this Warner fits that bill to a "T".

12 posted on 01/07/2006 12:39:08 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Radio WRVA 1140 now reports Coleman was guilty.


13 posted on 01/12/2006 12:06:23 PM PST by AdSimp
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To: Morgan in Denver
Good idea. Having the convicted person pay if it proves guilt makes abuse less likely.

And ensures that the rich have a better chance of getting off in these cases.

14 posted on 01/12/2006 12:08:52 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: AdSimp
Radio WRVA 1140 now reports Coleman was guilty.

I just heard on WRKO in Boston an ABC News report saying that the DNA test shows that the guy was guilty.

15 posted on 01/12/2006 1:01:14 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Doctor Stochastic

I think you may have missed my agreement to the previous post. I do not support an innocent person having to pay for a DNA test. But, I approve of a safeguard in place to limit someone from abusing the system.

You actually did me a favor. Thank you. As a benefit for society, there should be mandatory DNA testing on every capital crime defendant. Beyond the current trial that person faces, it could be used for both past and future criminal investigations identification. Over time, such a DNA database could be invaluable for identifying criminals.




16 posted on 01/12/2006 3:24:13 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Morgan in Denver

Yes. As long as the labs are honest (Oklahoma problems avoided), DNA testing has a lower incidence of false positives and false negatives than nearly anything else. It's much better than fingerprints or eyewitnesses.


17 posted on 01/12/2006 3:51:38 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Morgan in Denver

IN the last year I've read two murder mysteries (can't remember which ones) where part of the plot was the fact that someone who's had a bone marrow transplant has different DNA in his blood cells (and also some of the original DNA).

It's too much coincidence that two writers had the same idea; has something like that ever really happened?


18 posted on 01/12/2006 5:35:28 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American; Doctor Stochastic

I'll let Doctor Stochastic handle the answer but I would think any database could easily have both pre and post DNA sampling information in it so this would not be a problem.

A court can legally let you change your name but that does not mean there are no record of you prior to the name change. I would guess this could be handled the same way. But, I'm sure the idea would make a good mystery novel for the readers.


19 posted on 01/12/2006 5:51:06 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Morgan in Denver; Virginia-American
Bone marrow transplants wouldn't affect the DNA of muscles, etc. There would be a mixture of DNA's (perhaps) of bone tissue but blood cells (in humans) don't have nuclei (that used to be the McGuffin.)

Likewise, chimerae are not a problem as they would show a close relationship (sibling) and there are other body parts to check.

20 posted on 01/12/2006 7:22:47 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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