Benelli M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun
Civilian Benelli M4 Super 90
Posted on 01/05/2006 6:42:39 PM PST by strategofr
I shot a Glock 9 mil rental at my local gun range and every other round was a jam. For some reason the gun and I didn't get along. The RSO took the pistol and put a full magazine through it with no jams. He said I was limp wristing it. I tried again with a very firm grip. Same result. At that point I figured Glocks and I didn't get along.
ping to an easy read. Lots of info at the site.
I don’t down load my 10mm much, but this is one aspect of the cartridge that must be factored in to the argument for the 10mm over the .45 ACP. The 10mm “lite” or what I like to call the –p, is nothing more than the ballistic equivalent of a .40 S&W, another good cartridge, to be sure.
Another source
Selection of a Handgun for Self Defense
The 10 mm cartridge was initially envisioned by federal authorities as the ultimate man stopper. It was found to be too potent, however, since it tended to pass through the human target. As mentioned previously, this is undesirable because not only is energy diverted from its intended purpose of damaging a criminal, it also becomes a threat to bystanders. The .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge was developed to fill the void between the 9 mm and the 10 mm.
The 10mm auto cartridge is a great idea that just never really caught on like it should have with American shooters. Back in the early nineteen-eighties, it seemed to be off to a real good start. It had the blessings of the great defensive handgun guru of the time, Colonel Jeff Cooper. He regarded it as superlative to his beloved .45 ACP cartridge, and stated as much loudly and often, in person and in print.
In short, I messed it up. The FBI had the cartridge depowered because they felt the round overpenetrated targets. The depowered load evolved into the 40 S&W. You can still get the hot 10mm rounds, by the way.
Oddly enough, it appears as if the government depowered it for tactical reasons. I stand corrected, and I hope this clears it up for you, too.
The PMC 10mm loads I have are PLENTY powerful. They'll blow through a couple of layers of sheet metal like butter while .357's are bouncing around.
The difference between a Beretta 92 with 15 rounds, and a Glock 15 is significant. You unload a magazine of 10mm, and whoever you hit is done for the day. After hearing complaints about the supposedly underpowred 9mm, I don't understand why the gov't isn't issuing the 10mm.
We had the Mossbergs and Remington 12-ga. They worked just fine.
The M6-A2's that we had worked fine, no jamming. However it took a lot of bullets to drop the bad guys.
Pistols in general, were effective across Iraq, for some reason they really put fear into the masses- especially when it is pointed at some @ss-clown ignoring your roadblock!
When you know the bad guys are inside, and your tiny M-4 or M16 rounds bounce right off the wall, you too would wish for something with punch.
They would fire from doorways and windows, then duck behind their brick-walled or cinderblock walled house. It would take a MK-19 or Ma Deuce to reach them easily.
I've got a Benelli Super90 Defender, and the only problem that I've ever had with it was when I picked up some cheap field loads at Walmart. They just didn't have enought recoil to reliably cycle the action.
Mark
And there are some people who think that the design of the High Power pistol is an even better design, and he designed it too!
Mark
That's exactly what the problem was. Not so much your grip, but you were allowing the weapon to recoil against your wrist too much. While this can be a problem with any semi-auto, it seems to be prevalent with composit frame weapons. I only fired a Glock once, but while I didn't have any jams, I could feel the frame "flex" while I shot it, which made me uncomfortable.
Mark
I'm far from being a firearms expert. I just shoot 'em at the range. However, I own or have owned close to a dozen 1911s (mostly match-quality Kimbers, one in 9mm and the rest in .45ACP, but also a Colt and a Sig GSR), three CZs (the 75, 85, and 97 models in 9mm and .45ACP), five or six Sig-Sauers (several 9mm and 220ST .45ACP), HKs (9mm only), and Glocks (9mm and .45ACP -- and I HATE Glocks). Too many, I know, but you can never have enough guns (he said, laughing) and I remind Mrs. Scoutmaster that both of our neighbors spend more on beer and cigarettes in a month than I spend on handguns in a year.
Although I would personally choose a 1911 every time (they fit my hand and hit whatever I point them at), and I LOVE the quality of Sigs --
I'd have to say that the current CZs are one of the most underrated (and under priced) handguns in existence. Everybody who has every fired mine and then heard the price, new, agrees. Double ditto for their rifles. I understand the CZ 75B is the most used government, law enforcement, security and military sidearm in the world.
Like 1911s, CZs hit whatever I point them at . . . and I've fired thousands of rounds through three different CZs without a single jam, a record that even exceeds (although by only a couple of rounds) my experience with Sigs. The ONLY complaint about CZs is the length of the trigger pull in single action, something that's been corrected in the new NATO PO1.
So, our next care package to our adopted troops should contain a pump shotgun? I wish they'd told us which brand they prefer.
With the old model 12, like I have, it's as near to full auto as one can physically shoot. Pull and hold, rack away. Not many are going to walk away from a 12 OO buck round, through the wall or in front of it.
Short barreled shotgun bump.
I have one. It's a semi with only 4 moving parts. It's a phenomenally well thought out design, and I've put nearly 7,000 rounds through mine and I have had more problems with factory ammunition than with the firearm. It cycles like lighting and is as reliable as can be.
I had a problem like that with mine as well but only two or three times when the gun was still new,...that stopped after I broke it in. Now I file ultralight clay target loads in it and never have a problem. Even the cheapest stuff on the shelf.
"Some troops also buy high tech electronic sights, when the army or marines has not gotten enough good stuff to equip everyone. Combat troops have also found it useful to learn how to use the AK-47, whose larger bullet has more punch at close range, and is more useful when firing through ceilings and interior walls. Some units collect captured AK-47s, select the ones in the best shape, clean them up and keep them handy for some types of operations. But just knowing the basics of operating an AK-47 is useful knowledge, which you’ll never know when you’ll need."
LOL yeah, you can teach someone who already knows about firearms to field strip, sight in, and operate a Kalishnikov in about 30 minutes.
S&W is going to be getting into this market within the next year or so, I believe, as well as hunting, i mean, assault rifles...
My Springfield .45 mil spec and I get along fine. No jams. Thanks for the heads up on the composite frame. Looks like I'll be avoiding those. My other pistol is a Ruger .357 sp101. No problems there.
Benelli M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun
Civilian Benelli M4 Super 90
Ma Duece / 1911 It's the classics that I love.
Ithaca went bankrupt last year.
Seems to me that the ideal firearm for this purpose would be the M1928. Given that Auto Ordinance is alive and kicking again, I'm suprised that nobody seems to be interested in the reliable and combat proven Tommygun...
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