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China snubbed as Australia, Japan, US discuss security
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | January 6th, 2006 | Cynthia Banham

Posted on 01/05/2006 1:30:52 PM PST by Termite_Commander

A SECURITY summit between the US, Japan and Australia in Sydney next week is expected to sharpen tensions with China, with deteriorating relations between Beijing and Tokyo high on the agenda.

The US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, will meet the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Alexander Downer, and their Japanese counterpart, Taro Aso, on Wednesday for the first ever ministerial-level security talks between the three countries.

China's Secretary-General of the State Council, Hua Jianmin, will be in Sydney at the same time to attend the inaugural meeting of the US-led Asia-Pacific climate change summit.

The Herald understands the talks will focus on diffusing the threat posed to regional security by the continuing tensions between China and Japan. The intention is to send a strong message to Beijing that the US is still engaged in the region.

The ministers are expected to discuss concerns over the Taiwan Strait, as well as possible joint military exercises between the three countries.

Alan Dupont of the Lowy Institute, a body of international policy experts based in Sydney, believes the growing strategic rivalry between China and Japan could emerge as the gravest threat to regional security in the next five to 10 years.

"Politically the relationship is the worst I've seen in 30 years, and … it's deteriorating," he said.

"They're the two leading Asian powers so it's going to have implications for the North Korean nuclear issue and for Taiwan, and it's going to complicate strategic relations throughout the region."

But Dr Dupont also has reservations about the trilateral security dialogue, which has caused concerns with China in the past. He warned that the dialogue had to be managed to avoid upsetting the rapidly growing power.

Dr Dupont believes the raising of the talks from senior officials' level to a political level will cause even greater consternation among the Chinese. "[They] are concerned about it developing into something more formal than just a talkfest, and that it may be … directed against them," he said. "The more it becomes formalised, the more China's concerns are likely to grow."

The trilateral security talks began in 2002, and during a visit to Washington by Mr Downer last year, Dr Rice announced the decision to "intensify" them to the level of foreign minister.

The talks are also expected to canvass Iraq, where Japan has committed its engineers - who are being protected by Australian troops - for another 12 months.

Australia is keen to use the dialogue to encourage Japan to commit more resources to fighting terrorism, believing it has at its disposal expertise and resources that could be used in the struggle against militant extremists in South-East Asia.

Dr Dupont believes that in an environment of escalating animosity between China and Japan, it would be much better for a security dialogue in North-East Asia to have Beijing included in the process, rather than watching from the outside.

The Chinese embassy in Canberra declined to comment on the security talks.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: australia; china; japan; securitytalks
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I must say I'm a fan of Australia and Japan. Good to see we're continuing our strong strategic and economic relationships with the two countries.

As for China; Pah! Who needs 'em? Okay, they import 90% of the things you see on store shelves, but that's a topic for another time.

1 posted on 01/05/2006 1:30:54 PM PST by Termite_Commander
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To: Termite_Commander

Storm clouds on the horizon. Time to prepare.


2 posted on 01/05/2006 1:32:51 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Termite_Commander

Could it be the three countries that are meeting are worried that China is the greatest threat the their security militarily? I would think so....


3 posted on 01/05/2006 1:33:27 PM PST by b4its2late (For every action, there is an equal and opposite government program.)
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To: Semper Paratus

bio weapons would probably work very well in China.


4 posted on 01/05/2006 1:34:15 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Termite_Commander

I don't remember the US being invited to the Russia, China pow-wow. We didn't get our panties in a twist over that did we...


5 posted on 01/05/2006 1:34:46 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Termite_Commander

It was a civilized meeting.


6 posted on 01/05/2006 1:37:03 PM PST by bkepley
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To: b4its2late
What is that statistic that's frequently kicked around? I believe it's that China's military spending has greatly increased each year for the past 12 years. I may have gotten that wrong, but I think that's it.

An official in the Japanese government recently pushed China's buttons when he mentioned the above statistic, and said China is beginning to become a threat to regional security.
7 posted on 01/05/2006 1:37:13 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: Termite_Commander

Unfortunately, Australia will act as China's surrogate in these discussions.


8 posted on 01/05/2006 1:38:35 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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I believe it's that China's military spending has greatly increased each year for the past 12 years. I may have gotten that wrong, but I think that's it.

About the same time clinton sold China all of our military weapons secrets. Hell, he threw the kitchen sink in as a bonus.

9 posted on 01/05/2006 1:39:41 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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By the way, I have a question to anybody more knowledgeable about these kinds of things.

If China were to go to war with Japan, the US be obligated to defend them, right? We do have a number of US bases in Japan, and I'd like to know just what the troops on those bases would do in the event of war between the two nations.
10 posted on 01/05/2006 1:40:26 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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You're right. They are building up for war. Using our money and other countries that run a deficit with it to eventually attack us.
11 posted on 01/05/2006 1:42:30 PM PST by b4its2late (For every action, there is an equal and opposite government program.)
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To: pbrown
Yeah, Bubba was definitely one of our greatest presidents!

Not only was he a rapist, a liar and an all-around shlub, he also sold classified military information to the communists! Wow. What a guy.

But I digress.
12 posted on 01/05/2006 1:43:27 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: b4its2late

The Chinese are probably banking that the American people are tired of war after being in Iraq and won't stand up to a blitzkrieg strike on Taiwan.


13 posted on 01/05/2006 2:20:15 PM PST by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Termite_Commander

Screw china.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 2:22:49 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Termite_Commander

Just why would China expect to be invited to a conference that is about protecting the region from China?


15 posted on 01/05/2006 2:39:43 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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China would be ok if they got rid of the communist one party rule and didnt threaten Japan and Taiwan and threaten to nuke the US. Thats alot of change that needs to happen.


16 posted on 01/05/2006 2:51:19 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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"China would be ok if they got rid of the communist one party rule and didnt threaten Japan and Taiwan and threaten to nuke the US."

You're not familiar with Han Chinese, are you?


17 posted on 01/05/2006 3:02:38 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

I am I been to china and they are the most racist,boorish, and downright rude people I have ever met. They believe the are the middle kingdom ment to rule the world and we are barbarians. Well they have a very rude awakening awaiting them if they become aggressive to the US or our allies.


18 posted on 01/05/2006 3:04:29 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Termite_Commander
Usually the target state is not invited to the meeting on how to defend against them.
19 posted on 01/05/2006 3:27:48 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

am = have. Ive had a few to many beers tonight. :0


20 posted on 01/05/2006 3:31:29 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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