Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: isaiah55version11_0

You guys must be a product of modern American education. "Anglo superiority"? Wrong - it was some very simple concepts never before uttered until 1776, that "all men are created equal", that every individual has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that are the secret of American success.

A man's worth is not the gift of some monarch or mullah or commisar, but an inherent design of the creator. Those Anglo roots may be a source of many of our laws and protections, but don't forget it was also that same Anglo structure, where the king rules and the subjects live for his convenience, that we overthrew in 1783.

America's success lies in the fact that not just Anglos, but all of the melting pot (until recently) was willing to throw aside its old homeland's concepts and embrace those basic American ideals.

Pushing this "Anglo" nonsense starts sounding like that "Aryan" nonsense some other northern European tried to sell 70 years ago.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 11:56:24 AM PST by oldbill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: oldbill
No, I'm afraid you are mistaken. Read John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Voltaire, and then you will see why "some very simple concepts never before uttered until 1776" is a grossly inaccurate statement. America, the concept, the theory, is a direct product of the European enlightenment.
15 posted on 01/05/2006 12:02:01 PM PST by henry_thefirst
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]

To: oldbill

"Anglo structure, where the king rules and the subjects live for his convenience, that we overthrew in 1783. "


not really. The problem was that the british has a certian set of rights (basically our bill of rights) for citizens in the UK and did not apply them in the Americas. the UK monarch has not held any power for a very very long time.

Secondly what the article calls Anglo has nothing to do with race, he is just using the term to identify a set of ideas that came from the British. If you look at Singapore or HK, you see that simply emulating some of those ideas leads to prosperity regardless of the race of the people.


19 posted on 01/05/2006 12:09:19 PM PST by minus_273
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]

To: oldbill

That "all men are created equal" is inherent in the very concept of the rule of law. English common law had been developing in this direction for centuries. The American Declaration of Independence was thus a conservative affirmation of longstanding British tradition, not a declaration of novel rights as in the French revolution. Although the concept was first made to "stick" by the success of our revolution and constitution.

The American development of equality was, of course, greatly accelerated by America developing as a "decapitated society." Essentially no aristocrats went to America, and those few who did were unable to get their aristocratic status generally recognized there. Thus America was from its beginning a middle-class society.


28 posted on 01/05/2006 12:19:49 PM PST by Restorer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]

To: oldbill

"it was some very simple concepts never before uttered until 1776, that "all men are created equal", that every individual has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that are the secret of American success."

That is incorrect, the very concept of individual rights is a British, and more specifically, English idea.

The idea that we have rights from God came from a long chain of ideas. The American Revolution had its roots in the Glorious Revolution of 1688, which was the culimination of a centuries long struggle between Parliament (legislature) and the Crown (executive) which had it's roots in the Magna Carta in the reign of King John.

"All men are created equal" comes from the English idea that no man, including the King, is above the law and that legislatures make the law.

Indeed the spark for the war was small taxes enacted by the British Parliament at the request of the Govenrment but without consulting the local colonial legislatures.

This article is flawed, particularly where he talks about "unilateralism", but his core argument is right on target.


32 posted on 01/05/2006 12:31:04 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps (We are going to the playoffs!!! Who Dey! Who Dey! Who Dey Think Gonna Beat Dem Bengals!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]

To: oldbill
IMHO one of the more important successes of the anglo culture was its adoption of the Calvinist ethic of self improvement.

In many other societies, (Latin America, most Catholic countries, most Asian countries, etc), the average person is taught to be docile, to believe that their fate is preordained and "there is nothing they can do about it". Makes for populations easy to control by the ruling classes.

In England and the US in particular, the culture has absorbed the concept that one is one's own master, and you can control your own fate for the better if you work at it. Independence of mind, hard work and self sufficiency win the day.

Unfortunately for the US, the rest of the world is onto the secret of the US success at exactly the same time the US education system, MSM and Hollywood are turning US children into, well, docile sheep who think everything is preordained and "there is nothing you can do about it" -- hence easy to control by the ruling classes.

the effect of learning the anglo secret is striking here in Chile: influenced by Protestant missionaries, the lower classes have realized that they can escape the vicious circle of poverty they have been kept in. class mobility is starting to occur here - sons and daughters of simple farmers now learn professional skills, take two jobs or start their own small business to buy a better car and a better house.

this trait is really spreading throughout the world, so I sense the day of anglo supremacy is drawing to a close, even though everyone will still be speaking english and dreaming of eating steaks and potatoes and being on a Harley Davidson at the corner of Hollywood and Vine with a Blonde riding on the back...

i think we can still be the first among equals, but we will have to work at it...

41 posted on 01/05/2006 1:09:33 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]

To: oldbill; Restorer; GreenLanternCorps
Western Equality is likely at least as old as England. Check out Thomas Aquinas
Nevertheless man is bound to obey his fellow-man in things that have to be done externally by means of the body: and yet, since by nature all men are equal, he is not bound to obey another man in matters touching the nature of the body, for instance in those relating to the support of his body or the begetting of his children. Wherefore servants are not bound to obey their masters, nor children their parents, in the question of contracting marriage or of remaining in the state of virginity or the like. But in matters concerning the disposal of actions and human affairs, a subject is bound to obey his superior within the sphere of his authority; for instance a soldier must obey his general in matters relating to war, a servant his master in matters touching the execution of the duties of his service, a son his father in matters relating to the conduct of his life and the care of the household; and so forth.
The Anglican Richard Hooker was greatly influenced by Aquinas, and Locke based some of his philosophy on Hooker, or at least he respected Hooker enough to misrepresent him deliberately.
47 posted on 01/05/2006 11:20:41 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson