Posted on 01/05/2006 10:03:10 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
The problem with all this conspiracy stuff is that you have to completely ignore massive amounts of evidence pointing to Oswald and focus on very questionable evidence pointing at others. Just because you read it in a book doesn't mean it's true. The fact of the matter is, paraffin tests to the face were shown conclusively to be extremely questionable. Repeated tests on subject showed that only a small minority of people who fired a rifle registered positive on a paraffin test to the face. On the other hand, the ones to the hands usually are positive and we know Oswald tested positive on his hands, so we know without question that Oswald killed officer Tippet during his mad flight after kennedy was shot. Why in the world would an innocent man kill a police officer while running away from Dealy Plaza? Furthermore, we know for a fact he tried to kill General Walker before he tried to kill Kennedy. Is the the sign of an innocent man, or a whack job trying to gain notoriety? Everything points to Oswald and you have to be a mental contortionist to think he was not the shooter.
Yeah, whatever.
It was a full metal jacket and designed to stay pristine on impact with the human body, per Geneva convention rules. Many bullets removed from soldiers in war are pristine. So, in your world someone fired the bullet out of Oswalds gun and into a water tank, collected it, then approached the gurney holding Kennedy and laid it next to his body. This plan to plant the bullet was all laid out before Kennedy was shot. If a pristine bullet is so unusual how come these genius conspirators didn't use a damaged bullet? Sorry, I find the pristine bullet much easier to believe. If you ever get a chance, catch the NOVA program on the Kennedy assassination. They actually showed that a pristine bullet was more likely than a damaged one.
Unlike your example of the bicycle victim above, I think JFK's brains were mashed potatoes. Many conspiracy buff's always mention the "rearward jerk of JFK's head" after the last shot. As a hunter, I've seen the phenomenon of a bullet entering soft tissue and then the bullet imparts its energy to the tissues leaving the exit hole as a jet of soft matter that propels the head or abdomen in the opposite direction of the bullet path. It's a demonstration of Newton's third law of motion in a macabre way.
The Zepruder film, in slow motion, leaves little doubt that JFK's brains were literally "blown out". There was nothing for a surgeon to repair.
You know so many things that aren't true. The facts: he was a lumber industry expert in the MVD (Ministry of Interior) with a bureaucratic rank equivalent to colonel. The MVD at that time was analogous with the US departments of Justice and Interior combined and Marina's uncle administered lumbering projects using inmate labor. Oh yeah, her Uncle was some kind of bigshot in the KGB alright. It's where you conspiracy folks always stumble, seeing things where nothing exists.
Very likely. However, partial lobectomies are done all the time. It was long ago and my memory of that one conversation isn't complete, but I'm fairly certain there was a possibility of saving him with less impairment than you suggest.
I guess you need to stop relying on Epstein then. Her Uncle was a beauracrat in the department of the interior (MVD) with the equivelant rank of colonel (like our GS government scale). According to Marina, Oswald was always bitching about not being treated special because he was a defector. The KGB in fact thought he was delusional and embarrassing, hence they put him to work in an electronics factory. He complained constantly about his lousy apartment.
That makes sense. I just found Dr. Crenshaw's book Trauma One something about the real medical findings. Guess I'll have to read it since I can't find a big enough piece of it to post.
MVD is not equivalent to the Justice Department. It has armed forces under its jurisdiction as well as secret police functions. During the time Oswald was in the USSR the MVD was non-existent. It returned in 1968 after having been called something else for a decade or so.
Labor camps were under the control of the KGB. I do agree that finding out specifics is important and that is not so easy wrt the Soviet intelligence agencies or agents.
Warren Commission testimony about the rifle and its deficiencies is on the web. Some of it is available and some not. This came from the testimony of gun experts.
But even assuming the tests were made on the EXACT rifle it was not after it had been trundled across the country without being in a gun case as was the case in 1963. Nor were the shots fired by someone who had not practiced with it for months nor without the sights and scope being calibrated. At best this was a terrible gun in 1940 and it did not improve in the intervening decades.
Just when I thought I was in recovery, this miserable German has to go make this documentary! That's it, I am done with JFK. On to John Lennon, Abraham Lincoln, Prince Ferdinand ...anybody.
Help me before I conspire again!
Ok, I can't hold it in any longer. First of all the optimal place to shoot JFK was from the grassy knoll, with the target moving toward you, in an almost horizontal plane. The book depository is elevated, and with (at the time) a momentary obstruction of a tree. Additionally, while the shots may have been duplicated recently, a point which I will concede only for the sake of argument, no contemporary shooter could do it. Not the FBI, or the military, or any other person hired within a few years of the shooting could make the shot.
Most of the pictures, or x-ray reproductions, or drawings, both official and conspiratorial, that I have seen - and I'm not a Kennedy conspiracy fan - all suggest that the bullet went through JFK's brain in a fatal path. Add to that the energy that the bullet imparted to the brain matter, I doubt if there was a functional brain left there, even if the contents had remained in the skull. Poor b*st*rd.
Oddly enough, you mention "lobotomies". It was JFK's sister, Rosemary, who had received a lobotomy for her mental illness. The whole Kennedy family tale is nothing but a story of abject tragedy. The "Luck of the Irish" for the Kennedy's was all used up by "Old Joe" Kennedy. From Joe Jr. to JFK Jr., the old bootlegger left no "Irish Luck" for the rest of his family.
That's what i was going to say! Oh the dilemna for the libs! Who do they support? It can't be!
Oh, they'll just deny it is true, whatever the evidence. Look at Clinton's "legacy" through their twisted eyes. He was great. They don't care about the truth. Everyone in their camp is okay...
Oswald had a positive test on the hands but that does not prove he shot Tippet. He had a gun in his hand when arrested and could have gotten residues from its handling. So we do not KNOW that he shot Tippet with the certainty you claim. But we do KNOW that there was NO "mad flight" after the assassination. He was found in the second floor lunchroom calmly drinking a pop by the first policeman going up to the sixth floor. He then left the building, hailed a cab then let a woman have it. Then he TOOK A BUS back to the boarding house. This is a "mad flight"?
Nor do we KNOW that he tried to kill Walker. In fact, if he did then there is a conspiracy since an eyewitness saw TWO men fleeing one of whom drove a getaway car. Oswald shooting Walker could make sense for a leftist since he was far to the right but shooting JFK who FIRED Walker for essentially calling HIM a commie makes NO sense.
In fact, the closer one examines ANY aspect of this killing the less likely the cover story is true.
I think that you are probably right about there being other shooters. But I would point out that only 1 of 3 shots actually struck JFK in the head.
Any government that wanted to pull something like this assassination off would likely cover its bets by using multiple hit teams, each not knowing of the other of operational security. Plus you'd need a nice 'cutout' -- some patsy like Oswald that the US Government could plausibly pin it on to avoid taking the inevitable action (invasion). Even if Oswald were the dupe, he might be allowed to take his shot, and he may have been just plain 'lucky'.
No, but Castro might. Castro was mighty PO'ed at the Russians for not backing him to the hilt in the Cuban Missile Crisis -- he wanted the Russians to fire the nukes. Given his attitude then, it would have been perfect for Castro to use a disgruntled US citizen with strong ties to the Soviet Union. Very provacative.
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