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To: MadIvan
You Buchanan bastards

Me! You're the one who brought him up.

It was trade that built America. If you suddenly imposed tarriffs, you would find that trade restricted.

It was tariffs that built America. Please note that the US constitution was NOT written to support "free trade" it was written with the express desire that Congress regulate trade to protect our manufacturing base. If the Founders had wanted to support "free trade" they wouldn't have enumerated the power of congress to regulate it.

Strawman argument. CCTV cameras are there to catch terrorists, muggers and those who speed, not those who are trading. It worked a treat catching the July 7 bombers.

NOT. Those cameras are there to deprive you of your privacy. Those cameras did not prevent the deaths of many people. They are an exquisite example of the disdain your socialist government holds for privacy. Privacy is a freedom just like you claim trade to be.

The two are entirely unreleated.

NOT. You are not free to move about your country without the knowledge of your government (does this sound like the soviet union to you? If it doesn't, it should) and your trading system does not allow you to trade freely with whomever you want. It in fact delegates trade authority to a supranational institution, who regulates British property and trade laws without any individual representation.
109 posted on 01/08/2006 11:00:27 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Please note that the US constitution was NOT written to support "free trade" it was written with the express desire that Congress regulate trade to protect our manufacturing base.

Another masturbatory fantasy. The Constitution simply gives the power to lay "Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" to Congress. Your "express desire" is neither, unless you have access to an Amendment that no one else has read.

111 posted on 01/09/2006 5:32:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
It was tariffs that built America. Please note that the US constitution was NOT written to support "free trade" it was written with the express desire that Congress regulate trade to protect our manufacturing base. If the Founders had wanted to support "free trade" they wouldn't have enumerated the power of congress to regulate it.

I know more American history than you do. The Founding Fathers did not agree on what kind of country America should be - hence the split between the vision of the Federalists who wanted an industrialised country, and Jefferson's vision of an agrarian nation. There is no, repeat no article in the Constitution which states that tariffs for the purposes of protection are to be imposed. Indeed much of the economic debate of the 19th century focused on tariffs being imposed for protection or for the purposes solely of generating revenue.

Neither however built American business - you have totally failed to address what I said about Madison's embargo. Your intellectual and historical inadequacy is noted. As such, that's why I believe you to be a supporter of Pat Buchanan.

NOT. Those cameras are there to deprive you of your privacy. Those cameras did not prevent the deaths of many people. They are an exquisite example of the disdain your socialist government holds for privacy. Privacy is a freedom just like you claim trade to be.

The cameras are exclusively focused on public places. You would not object of a policeman stood by the side of a road or a street corner to monitor speeding cars or pick up criminals. Yet somehow replace the policeman with a camera and all of a sudden it becomes a symptom of socialism. The stupidity of your position, as such, cannot be overstated.

NOT. You are not free to move about your country without the knowledge of your government (does this sound like the soviet union to you? If it doesn't, it should) and your trading system does not allow you to trade freely with whomever you want. It in fact delegates trade authority to a supranational institution, who regulates British property and trade laws without any individual representation.

I moved from London to Chichester, West Sussex over a year ago. I was not required to do anything that an American would not be required to do, namely make sure my tax bill was arriving at the correct address. Our trading system at present allows us to trade freely with any EU member. I can buy anything from an EU member, tariff free. This competition has driven down prices in a number of areas and increased my ability to choose goods. What the treaties for free trade are trying to do, is do this on an international scale. You, on the other hand, want to impose your preferences on others through a nanny state which selects a basket of "protected" goods. Meanwhile, you accuse me of socialism.

Pull your head out of your rectum and breathe oxygen for a few minutes before you even think of replying.

Ivan

113 posted on 01/09/2006 7:02:15 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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