On the Question of Free Trade (look who also loved free trade, the enemy of capitalism, Marx)

www.marxists.org ^ | 9 January 1848

[hedgetrimmer]

Achieving favourable prices ? While there was wide support for the notion that essential drugs should be made available to poor countries at the most favourable price, which was variously referred to as a marginal cost or not-for-profit price, differing views were expressed as to how such a price should be determined.

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

Mind you, these posts are from just one WTO policy document.

[hedgetrimmer]

Participants accepted that markets for differentially priced drugs need to be tightly segmented to prevent leakage of differentially priced drugs to higher-income markets.

Oh, higher-income markets(the US) shouldn't pay less for their drugs by getting them from say, Canada?

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

[hedgetrimmer]

Differential pricing policies hinge critically on the political acceptability of lower prices in poor countries. It was suggested that, in a climate of increasing international scrutiny of prices and growing direct and indirect reference pricing schemes, the industrialized countries may need to make undertakings not to use differential prices meant only for poor countries as benchmarks for their own price regulation systems or policies.

Don't let the Americans find out how much extra they are really paying so that "poor countries" can get drugs at "differential pricing".

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're silly. Dictionary.com is commie?

You posted the definitions of free enterprise and capitalism? And I didn't see your explanation of the conflict between the two.

[hedgetrimmer]

The point was made that differential pricing of essential drugs is fully compatible with the TRIPS Agreement and should not require countries to forego any flexibility they have under it.

In other words, wealth redistribution doesn't conflict with the global rules the WTO has established for trade.

"From each according to his ability..."

The only conclusion one can draw, is that the WTO is a MARXIST soviet.

[nopardons]

bttt

[MadIvan]

You are insane if you believe that those statements about differential pricing have anything to do with the Communist maxim, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". Pricing based on regional variations is not something the WTO thought up - it is something that occurs no matter what. Companies will charge different prices based on what the market will bear.

But then again, facts aren't your strong suit. But it is instructive that your knowledge of Communism is limited to one tired old maxim, and your debating skills are limited to reaching out for anything that may seem comparable to that tired maxim.

Ivan

[MadIvan]

And you have tossed in the Buchanan red herring. Have you been taking lessons from 1rudeboy?

It's not a red herring. You Buchanan bastards have been spouting off this crap for years.

Please note that free enterprise built America, not the falsely named "free trade".

It was trade that built America. If you suddenly imposed tarriffs, you would find that trade restricted.

And in Britain, how free are you all to trade? You can't even move one step without having your picture taken.

Strawman argument. CCTV cameras are there to catch terrorists, muggers and those who speed, not those who are trading. It worked a treat catching the July 7 bombers.

And in Britain, how free are you all to trade? You can't even move one step without having your picture taken.

You are truly an idiot. The two are entirely unreleated. CCTV is used, as stated, to monitor speeding, muggers and terrorists. It was instrumental in spotting those who perpetrated the atrocity on July 7.

If you're going to reply to me, don't post stupid nonsense like this.

Ivan

[hedgetrimmer]

You Buchanan bastards

Me! You're the one who brought him up.

It was trade that built America. If you suddenly imposed tarriffs, you would find that trade restricted.

It was tariffs that built America. Please note that the US constitution was NOT written to support "free trade" it was written with the express desire that Congress regulate trade to protect our manufacturing base. If the Founders had wanted to support "free trade" they wouldn't have enumerated the power of congress to regulate it.

Strawman argument. CCTV cameras are there to catch terrorists, muggers and those who speed, not those who are trading. It worked a treat catching the July 7 bombers.

NOT. Those cameras are there to deprive you of your privacy. Those cameras did not prevent the deaths of many people. They are an exquisite example of the disdain your socialist government holds for privacy. Privacy is a freedom just like you claim trade to be.

The two are entirely unreleated.

NOT. You are not free to move about your country without the knowledge of your government (does this sound like the soviet union to you? If it doesn't, it should) and your trading system does not allow you to trade freely with whomever you want. It in fact delegates trade authority to a supranational institution, who regulates British property and trade laws without any individual representation.

[hedgetrimmer]

Differential pricing policies hinge critically on the political acceptability of lower prices in poor countries.

Pricing based on regional variations is not something the WTO thought up - it is something that occurs no matter what

Oh really? Even if it isn't 'politically acceptable'?

[1rudeboy]

Please note that the US constitution was NOT written to support "free trade" it was written with the express desire that Congress regulate trade to protect our manufacturing base.

Another masturbatory fantasy. The Constitution simply gives the power to lay "Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises" to Congress. Your "express desire" is neither, unless you have access to an Amendment that no one else has read.

[1rudeboy]

Don't go. Your presence on this thread will serve to make things really amusing.

[MadIvan]

It was tariffs that built America. Please note that the US constitution was NOT written to support "free trade" it was written with the express desire that Congress regulate trade to protect our manufacturing base. If the Founders had wanted to support "free trade" they wouldn't have enumerated the power of congress to regulate it.

I know more American history than you do. The Founding Fathers did not agree on what kind of country America should be - hence the split between the vision of the Federalists who wanted an industrialised country, and Jefferson's vision of an agrarian nation. There is no, repeat no article in the Constitution which states that tariffs for the purposes of protection are to be imposed. Indeed much of the economic debate of the 19th century focused on tariffs being imposed for protection or for the purposes solely of generating revenue.

Neither however built American business - you have totally failed to address what I said about Madison's embargo. Your intellectual and historical inadequacy is noted. As such, that's why I believe you to be a supporter of Pat Buchanan.

NOT. Those cameras are there to deprive you of your privacy. Those cameras did not prevent the deaths of many people. They are an exquisite example of the disdain your socialist government holds for privacy. Privacy is a freedom just like you claim trade to be.

The cameras are exclusively focused on public places. You would not object of a policeman stood by the side of a road or a street corner to monitor speeding cars or pick up criminals. Yet somehow replace the policeman with a camera and all of a sudden it becomes a symptom of socialism. The stupidity of your position, as such, cannot be overstated.

NOT. You are not free to move about your country without the knowledge of your government (does this sound like the soviet union to you? If it doesn't, it should) and your trading system does not allow you to trade freely with whomever you want. It in fact delegates trade authority to a supranational institution, who regulates British property and trade laws without any individual representation.

I moved from London to Chichester, West Sussex over a year ago. I was not required to do anything that an American would not be required to do, namely make sure my tax bill was arriving at the correct address. Our trading system at present allows us to trade freely with any EU member. I can buy anything from an EU member, tariff free. This competition has driven down prices in a number of areas and increased my ability to choose goods. What the treaties for free trade are trying to do, is do this on an international scale. You, on the other hand, want to impose your preferences on others through a nanny state which selects a basket of "protected" goods. Meanwhile, you accuse me of socialism.

Pull your head out of your rectum and breathe oxygen for a few minutes before you even think of replying.

Ivan

[hedgetrimmer]

Another masturbatory fantasy

Another uncouth remark from a "free trader" who cannot defend his corrupt system.

[1rudeboy]

Sorry to hurt your feelings. I simply get impatient with folks who don't know squat about the U.S. Constitution, yet assume they can speak with authority about it.

[MadIvan]

Sorry to hurt your feelings. I simply get impatient with folks who don't know squat about the U.S. Constitution, yet assume they can speak with authority about it.

Don't apologise to them. Where there's no sense, there's no feeling.

Regards, Ivan

[hedgetrimmer]

I know more American history than you do

Thats rich.

There is no, repeat no article in the Constitution which states that tariffs for the purposes of protection are to be imposed.

You are the only person who has said this. You are the only person to bring up Buchanan.

Yet somehow replace the policeman with a camera and all of a sudden it becomes a symptom of socialism.

Yes it is.

I can buy anything from an EU member, tariff free.

How much tax money did you spend buying out all your British fellowmen who were fishermen, when the Common Fisheries Policy was enacted that gave most of your fishing industry over to Portugal and Spain?

The corrupt "free traders" have it all figured out.You think you are paying less for a good. In fact you are paying much much more, in your security from government intrusion into your life (the cameras) to your taxes that pay entire industrial sectors to go out of business in your country because the puppet masters in Belgium want to redistribute your wealth to what it considers to the "poor countries" of the European Union.

And what about that horror of an EU constitution? Several hundred pages long when you sum the whole thing up? It is full of socialist claptrap. The British people were tricked into thinking the EU was a "trade" zone, and now they've got a supranational government with no elected representation. A coup d'état.

You are losing your culture, your soul as a nation. Its really like the illegal immigrant problem in the US. The criminal employers get off paying low wages to their illegal employees, and the rest of us pick up the tab with our taxes and harm to our society and culture. Its a ripoff and the "free traders" know it.

Pull your head out of your rectum and breathe oxygen for a few minutes before you even think of replying.

You shame yourself.

[hedgetrimmer]

I simply get impatient with folks who don't know squat about the U.S. Constitution

A fine way to talk about the citizens who paid your way through that leftist law school you attended.

[1rudeboy]

Funny, who is paying my tuition? The debt is mine and mine alone. I have received nothing in the form of a benefit but deferred interest. However, should you choose to volunteer, just let me know where to send the bill.

[hedgetrimmer]

But in order to stop you from insisting on turning this conversation in the direction of a pig-sty, let me state for the record that I have not received a Pell Grant ever. Well, there is a possibilty that I may have received one in the early 1980's,

31 posted on 05/24/2005 7:48:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy