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The Wall Street Journal: Dishonest Cheerleading (Again)
AmericanEconomicAlert.org (Globalization Follies) ^ | Wednesday, January 04, 2006 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 01/05/2006 7:17:03 AM PST by Willie Green

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To: af22721
57% of what ??

Owners equity in household real estate is $10.9 trillion. American households own $19.111 trillion in real estate (at market value) and have $8.196 in mortgages.

Federal Reserve: Flow of Funds (page 110)

The dollar is not what it used to be considering easy money.

What did the dollar used to be?

Are you saying that if my house sells today for $500,000, it's really not worth $500,000?

Foreigners are subsidizing negative real interest rates

Huh?

so we are borrowing and consuming like drunken sailors.

If we are borrowing like drunken sailors, how is it our household net worth is now $51 trillion, which is double what it was just a decade ago?

National Review: Assertion, Responses

21 posted on 01/05/2006 10:22:08 AM PST by Mase
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To: Willie Green
And the multinational trade agreements promoted by the Bush Administration aren't free trade either.

??? How is freely trading with someone who lives in another country not free trade.

22 posted on 01/05/2006 11:54:34 AM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson
How is freely trading with someone who lives in another country not free trade.

It's not free trade because we're not "freely trading with someone who lives in another country", that's how.
Transnational corporations are not a "someone".

23 posted on 01/05/2006 12:31:40 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: SolidSupplySide
You response seems to make as much sense as liberal "logic".

Another example of "Willie logic".

24 posted on 01/05/2006 1:12:46 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Willie Green
As the editorial condescendingly explained, "Judging by these holiday sales, somebody must have money."

True. There are a lot of people with money to spend. It's the same as there have always been. One rich guy spends thousands of dollars and "consumer confidence" is up and the recession is over.

25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:52:53 PM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
America and Americans have never been more prosperous then they are today with home ownership at record levels and more people employed then ever before in the nations history. Are there pockets of unemployment and economic disruption? Sure there are but this has always been true no matter what period of time one examines.

Is that you, Rush.... Sean...?

26 posted on 01/05/2006 1:53:56 PM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: raybbr
"Is that you, Rush.... Sean...?"

Shhhhhh!

27 posted on 01/05/2006 2:00:46 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Willie Green
Yes, somebody has to have the money to finance the nation's ongoing shopping spree. Increasingly, however, it's not Americans, but their foreign creditors.

so China is going to pay my Visa bill?

28 posted on 01/05/2006 2:03:10 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
When the savings rate is calculated NONE of the following are used in the calculation; Stocks, bonds, real estate, collectibles of any kind such as art, coins, precious metals, etc. In fact all that is used top compile these savings rates is cash in the bank in the form of savings/checking accounts and cd's.

Right. I was concerned about the allegedly negative savings rate until I looked at what counts as "savings". By that standard I save 0% of my income, when in reality it's at least 30%.

29 posted on 01/05/2006 2:05:09 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (I am a leaf on the wind)
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To: ThinkDifferent
It's amazing that 401s and Iras are not included. Hell it's easier to take money out of the bank, then it is getting it out of an IRA or other retirement account.
30 posted on 01/05/2006 2:14:39 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: webstersII
"- and home foreclosures at record levels

Record levels? Explain? Is it a record in strictly numerical terms or is it a record as seen in the % of homes in foreclosure. It makes a difference you know.

- and the percentage of home ownership (i.e., how much of the house you actually own) at record low levels"

Like to see some links to your sources, if you have any.

31 posted on 01/05/2006 2:20:52 PM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Willie Green
Transnational corporations are not a "someone".

Really? Then who (or what) are they, if not a someone or a collection of someones?

32 posted on 01/05/2006 3:14:43 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Dave Olson
Really? Then who (or what) are they, if not a someone or a collection of someones?

They're organizations that utilize their economic resources to corrupt legitimate governments, replacing them with their own puppets.

"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."

--Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

--Thomas Jefferson to George Logan, 1816. FE 10:69


33 posted on 01/05/2006 4:55:39 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
They're organizations that utilize their economic resources to corrupt legitimate governments, replacing them with their own puppets.

All of them? In any case, I didn't ask what they did with their resources. I asked why I can't freely trade with them.

34 posted on 01/05/2006 6:27:35 PM PST by Dave Olson
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To: Willie Green
Abramoff is just the tip of the iceberg.

You've got that right.

35 posted on 01/05/2006 6:34:26 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: webstersII
Most people own only a portion of the home

Not even that. We are merely stewards for the State. We pay the insurance, the upkeep and pay to improve the property under the eagle eye of the REAL owner. If we fail to pay our yearly rent, even after we've finished paying the bank, the REAL owner takes back HIS property.

36 posted on 01/06/2006 6:00:47 PM PST by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: SolidSupplySide
No. Free trade is bad because Abramoff is a criminal.

Thats it in a nutshell.
37 posted on 01/06/2006 6:14:04 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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