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Real TV: Bereaved Son of Miner Confronts WV Governor
Today Show/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 01/04/2006 5:14:08 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

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To: silverleaf

Sorry, but can't agree with you here. Yes, TV can exploit people's grief. But the son here was a fully-grown man who obviously chose to appear, and as a result was given the opportunity to confront the governor on live TV and make his points about mine safety, etc. in a way that will almost surely have much more impact than if he did not appear. I do not believe he will feel exploited.


41 posted on 01/04/2006 5:55:39 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Correct. How many NOVs until a CO ? MSHA can issue a Cessation Order, list deficiencies that must be corrected before mining can resume. Having union representation has nothing to do with this.
42 posted on 01/04/2006 5:55:47 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: xsmommy
The maximum civil penalty for regular and special assessments is $60,000 per violation.

then i'm thinking $250 is not a very serious violation.

If they are anything like OSHA then a $250 fine is really minor.
OSHA will cite you for not having paper cups by the water jug.
Can't use your own personal cups ,no, must be paper cups just in case a visitor drops in.

43 posted on 01/04/2006 5:55:55 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: add925

Please see #41.


44 posted on 01/04/2006 5:56:21 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Hildy
Well, that's nice. They'll be able to have really nice funerals

Make your point.

45 posted on 01/04/2006 5:58:18 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Vinnie

i am certain the regs are analogous to OSHA. 46 violations in a year, of this magnitude, do not make this a slumlandlord mine operator looking to endanger his nonunion miners for a buck, which is i fear where the MSM would like to take it.


46 posted on 01/04/2006 5:58:35 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"This is one of my rare reports not devoted to media bias, or politics per se, but focusing essentially on the human, spontaneous moment."

And we thank you GLGB. This tragedy is just that. Prayers for all the families. To hear a shill political comment at this time would be a shame. Thanks for your report as always.

Regards
47 posted on 01/04/2006 5:58:57 AM PST by poobear (Imagine a world of liberal silence!)
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To: Mo1

He should have absolutely been sure those miners were alive before announcing it, you agree with me on that?


48 posted on 01/04/2006 5:59:07 AM PST by Hildy (Spielberg spends his spare time memorializing the last Holocaust while working to justify the next.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Sorry, but can't agree with you here. Yes, TV can exploit people's grief

The Today show has a long history of exploiting people's grief

I'll never forget Katie during Columnine and how she exploited that

49 posted on 01/04/2006 5:59:15 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Hildy

The simple fact is, there are as many accidents in union mines as there are in non-union mines. We all have to wait to hear what happened here. From the sounds of it, with the permanent seals broken, it appears the explosion happened in the closed mine next door.


50 posted on 01/04/2006 5:59:38 AM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"He alleged that, without the union to protect them, the men were afraid to complain of safety violations for fear of losing their jobs."

Ahh so rather than looking for safer jobs they went into a mine they knew was unsafe?

I never had a job yet that was worth my life.

One wonders what type mindset makes a person make such a decision.

51 posted on 01/04/2006 6:00:00 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I do not believe he will feel exploited.

I agree. He will not feel exploited because he is grieving and the lure of bright lights and a celebrity will mask the feelings of exploitation. These people are in a vulnerable position and are easy to take advantage of.

Tell me that "reporters" don't recognize this fact.

52 posted on 01/04/2006 6:00:15 AM PST by add925 ("Never Interfere with a Lifestyle that Thins Out the Liberal Herd" - Me)
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To: poobear

Thanks, PB. The purpose of my post was not to agree or disagree with the son's allegations, or to defend or condemn the governor. I just wanted to describe a rare moment of spontaneous, authentic human drama on live TV.


53 posted on 01/04/2006 6:00:54 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
When was the last time a tragedy wasn't milked for all the political juice it could possibly be? I can't think of one in recent history.

Agreed, but don't you think the accusations are more and more, well, crazy? Just look that number of people who thought that a plane never hit the Pentagon, or that the military shot down the plain that crashed in PA on 09/11/01, or that levees in NO were blown up, or any of the other comments made in regards to Katrina? Read the book "Bushwhacked" by Molly Ivins and you'll get the idea.

And no, It is not just for Bush hating Libs. When Micheal Rivero was a poster on FR, he came replete with a suitcase full of conspiracy theories, some of them downright kooky.

54 posted on 01/04/2006 6:01:04 AM PST by Fury
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To: Mo1

It isn't Manchin's fault. He is far more "Republican" than most Republican politicians are. He has cut taxes and pushed through some medical malpractice and other legal reforms. As far as I can tell, he is strongly against abortion and strongly against gun control. Back when he was a private citizen with his own business, one local labor union went on strike against him.

He's a good man. I've voted for him before, and if I were still a WV citizen, I would vote for him again in a heartbeat.


55 posted on 01/04/2006 6:01:31 AM PST by montanus
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Bush has had many opportunities to ban all natural lightening, yet he has failed to do it. Shame on him!!! It's his fault!!!


56 posted on 01/04/2006 6:01:44 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: Hildy
He should have absolutely been sure those miners were alive before announcing it, you agree with me on that?

The news clip I saw .. the Governor didn't announce it

The news clips I saw was the Governor saying they found out the news from family members and how he asked his people of they heard anything about this and they said no, there was no confirmation of the news

57 posted on 01/04/2006 6:02:05 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: montanus

Thank you for the info

I don't know anything about Manchin ..

But from what I can tell of the media reports .. this accident was not his fault


58 posted on 01/04/2006 6:03:45 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: netmilsmom
A miner who used to be at that mine said on H & C, said that those violations can often be little petty things like signs being put too high

I wondered about that -- I know from my mechanic that he not only has to have a certain number of fire extinguishers around (OK and he actually has more), but that they have to be a specific number of inches from the floor (some of his were a couple of inches too low -- well, he's short!) -- and he got cited.

59 posted on 01/04/2006 6:04:33 AM PST by maryz
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To: add925

I meant that in the long run, I do not believe he will feel exploited, even when in retrospect he considers the event.

There was a quid pro quo here. Yes, he helped boost Today's ratings. On the other hand, he was given a priceless platform to make his points and advance his cause. And considering the circumstances, I would say Lauer handled the situation with dignity and respect.

Look, the very purpose of my Today show threads is to criticize the show's pervasive liberal bias. But by the same token, I try to be fair, and I believe this morning's segment represented valid TV journalism.

Try to put yourself in the son's place. Imagine, God forbid, that you had suffered the loss of a family member and believed government or private sector officials were to blame. Wouldn't you consider going on TV to make your point, knowing that the public exposure would greatly increase the pressure on the officials to make the reforms, etc. that you were seeking?


60 posted on 01/04/2006 6:05:41 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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