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To: highball
And there is another set of people who regard it as "an irrefutable fact, never to be challenged because science says so." Perhaps a quote from one of these people to illustrate your point? I'd like to see one of those quotes as well.

It's one of the charges frequently tossed out by creationists, but they rarely follow up with anything resembling evidence.

Here's one. Can't remember which thread, but it was posted more than once. "Common ancestry is a fact."

BTW, I leave open the possibility for that phenomenon. But I also don't think it is small-minded to conclude that something else has put this all in motion. Paint me with a "creationist" brush if you want, but I find it just as dogmatic to shut down that notion without admitting it takes just as much faith to do so as those who don't.

162 posted on 01/03/2006 3:54:16 PM PST by 101st-Eagle
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To: 101st-Eagle
BTW, I leave open the possibility for (common descent). But I also don't think it is small-minded to conclude that something else has put this all in motion. Paint me with a "creationist" brush if you want, but I find it just as dogmatic to shut down that notion without admitting it takes just as much faith to do so as those who don't.

You may conclude whatever you like. The problem comes when somebody tries to pass off their personal "conclusions" under the color of science. They aren't.

Nobody here says ID should never be mentioned, or never taught. We just say that it shouldn't be taught as science, since there's no objective evidence for it and its own proponents admit that in order for it to be considered "science" the word needs to be stretched so far as to include astrology.

Evolution doesn't require "just as much faith". It has evidence to support it. So much evidence, for that matter, that the proponents of ID accept evolution as fact (they only want to add a supernatural element on the beginning of it).

Nothing "dogmatic" in insisting that words mean things.

165 posted on 01/03/2006 3:59:13 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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