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To: JNL
Security (most "security experts" can't secure their own PC's)

Um...what "security experts" are you hanging around? Sure, there are a lot of charlatans in the field, but that doesn't mean they're all pretenders.

Personally, I put little stock in security wizardry claims. I instead look for papers, utilities, and presentations done by the party in question. Those speak more clearly to their skill set than any FUD-hyped media coverage or overinflated security claims.

21 posted on 01/03/2006 9:56:26 AM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: Prime Choice; JNL
.....security (most "security experts" can't secure their own PC's) Um...what "security experts" are you hanging around? Sure, there are a lot of charlatans in the field, but that doesn't mean they're all pretenders........

21 posted on 01/03/2006 10:56:26 AM MST by Prime Choice

Security will always be big issue until the industry comes to understand
that the greatest charlatan is Bill Gates.

The basic design of all windows allows for penetration.

Vista will be no better!

BSD was designed on a DARPA contract to be unhackable twenty-five years ago.

Long live OSX and Solaris.

Get Root !

27 posted on 01/03/2006 10:28:32 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Prime Choice

The secuirty field has become a hot field. Like web scripters in the 90's everyone and their dog is getting into the field. The market has become a mess. Take a short example.

For some reason my CTO wanted to implement webmail. He went with exchange because M$ gave it to us for free. We called in a security expert /MCSE to give us the lowdown on the risks associated with implementing OWA. Goes like this

Security expert: Open these two billion (I exaggerate) ports and your webmail can sit on your DMZ.

Myself: No

Security expert: It will only work that way, I'll secure your DMZ for you

Myself: No

Security expert: OK big shot

Myself: Proxy pass through Unix open one port 443 on the firewall.

Security Expert: Refers to Unix box as magic box. Refers to solution as wizardry. Still claims that it should not work.


Security Expert still gets paid wanders off with head up ass.

I admit there are guys out there that are good, very good, but my experience with the majority has been lacking.


29 posted on 01/03/2006 10:36:47 AM PST by JNL
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To: Prime Choice
Um...what "security experts" are you hanging around? Sure, there are a lot of charlatans in the field, but that doesn't mean they're all pretenders. Personally, I put little stock in security wizardry claims. I instead look for papers, utilities, and presentations done by the party in question. Those speak more clearly to their skill set than any FUD-hyped media coverage or overinflated security claims.


look for signs for an ex-hacker turned security pro and you'll end up with talent... granted he doesnt hack you when you have to let him go because of budget cuts.
51 posted on 01/03/2006 11:05:53 AM PST by Element187
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